Captain Marvel 2: Boden and Fleck Out, New Writer

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

ScarJo, it seems, manages to avoid this pitfalls

Ghost in the Shell is the only blemish, really. She should've known better, but not because of the reasons the SJWs say ("they white-washed the android!! how DARE they!!!! etc.".

so far. Larson, not really sure.

Nobody outside of Marvel is really offering her roles in giant budgeted stuff... though she's definitely "waiting for the call" from Kathleen Kennedy, I'm sure.

[Coola Yagami]

Idk. I liked Ghost in the Shell. It was awesome and Scarjo brought Motoko to life. Screw the SJWs, they never seen the anime movie or anything. The creator himself liked Scarjo in the role.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Captain Marvel was a definite bore... I kept checking out to play video games or surf the web while I watched it. And her 5 minutes of screentime in Endgame didn't really give me an opportunity to judge her outside of her debut.

Leo and Voltron made a lot of good points, but have people like RDJ or Chris Evans even tried a big role outside of the MCU since joining it?

It seems to me that RDJ's roles, the lawyer father/son thing and more recently Doolittle, have been more about smaller passion projects than breaking away from the MCU. Same for Knives Out and Evans.

I don't think we can pass judgment that "nobody cares about RDJ, they just want Iron Man" until we see him go big and fail. Not these smaller things they do to stay fresh or explore new roles and work with new directors.

[Leo656]

How'd that last Sherlock Holmes thing do with RDJ?

Let's be honest, he's NEVER been a draw outside of the MCU. He was always a competent and somewhat-popular actor, but his whole story isn't about that, it's about the whole "I was a total junkie and probably should have died but I got a huge second chance with this Iron Man gig so now I've turned my life around" sorta redemption angle.

To again put in wrestling parlance, there's "Being Popular" and "Being A Draw". Lots of popular entertainers are beloved but can't draw a crowd just for them. Sting is a huge star. Sting is one of the most beloved wrestlers of all time. Sting NEVER drew a dime on his own, only when he was working with Flair or Hogan. Whenever he was given the Title and put on top of the company, attendance went way down. Macho Man, same thing. Everybody loves Macho Man, but if he wasn't working with Hogan he never drew a dime. The list goes on.

RDJ has never drawn a dime outside of Marvel stuff. He's done well, he's had successful films, but he's never hit a Grand Slam outside of the MCU. Before "Iron Man", he was pretty much known as "That guy from 'Less Than Zero'," and "That guy who keeps getting arrested" and that's about it. Until he does knock one out on his own, my opinion of him stays the same.

Regarding Larson, what else has she done that was really successful? I liked her in Kong: Skull Island, and that did alright, but not amazing. If that's her biggest non-MCU role, then I maintain, she ain't worth the sticker price.

Again, if you're gonna ask for $20 million it helps if you have a proven track record to justify said expense. Obviously Disney wasn't gonna recast any of the principal players midway through the Avengers arc, but now that that's over with these people have no leverage at all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

How'd that last Sherlock Holmes thing do with RDJ?

I don't remember box office numbers and don't care to go find them, but I seem to remember his Sherlock Holmes movies being successful. Not gangbusters, but enough people saw them to make a sequel and I'm pretty sure a lot of us would have gone to see #3 if it had come out in any semblance of a reasonable time frame.

Originally Posted by Leo656

To again put in wrestling parlance, there's "Being Popular" and "Being A Draw". Lots of popular entertainers are beloved but can't draw a crowd just for them. Sting is a huge star. Sting is one of the most beloved wrestlers of all time. Sting NEVER drew a dime on his own, only when he was working with Flair or Hogan. Whenever he was given the Title and put on top of the company, attendance went way down. Macho Man, same thing. Everybody loves Macho Man, but if he wasn't working with Hogan he never drew a dime. The list goes on.

RDJ has never drawn a dime outside of Marvel stuff. He's done well, he's had successful films, but he's never hit a Grand Slam outside of the MCU. Before "Iron Man", he was pretty much known as "That guy from 'Less Than Zero'," and "That guy who keeps getting arrested" and that's about it. Until he does knock one out on his own, my opinion of him stays the same.

I love your wrestling parlance, it's a great comparison. I'd argue, however, that a big part of the problem is also typecasting. People associate RDJ with snappy snarky badass Tony Stark, so when he wants to do something NOT that... it doesn't do well because we all want Iron Man 47 instead. Or when he does do something else (Sherlock Holmes, Doolittle), the problem is he still PLAYS Tony Stark, just with a British accent. Which is terrible for these characters.

Y'know who'd be a fvcking great Doctor Dolittle? John C Reilly, bitches. THAT'S who would rock the role.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Regarding Larson, what else has she done that was really successful? I liked her in Kong: Skull Island, and that did alright, but not amazing. If that's her biggest non-MCU role, then I maintain, she ain't worth the sticker price.

Again, if you're gonna ask for $20 million it helps if you have a proven track record to justify said expense. Obviously Disney wasn't gonna recast any of the principal players midway through the Avengers arc, but now that that's over with these people have no leverage at all.

There was some movie she did about being a mom trapped in a basement and raped, and finally getting out with her kid and seeing daylight. Something really cheerful and appealing, fun for the whole family. Room, I think? One of those "it's a serious movie well done but nobody's gonna fvcking ENJOY it because good God this is a horrible thing to watch" movies.

But yeah, she was pretty boring in Skull Island. So was Tom Hiddleston.

[Sumac]

I was unable to watch Skull Island for more then 30 minutes. It was boring, so I switched to something else. Later I've returned to check it out somewhere in the middle of the movie and it still was boring.

[AquaParade]

I'm quite surprised Downey hasn't been picked up for an indie drama in the last 5 years. For ego, fun, career benefits, or any number of reasons.

I do think he'd do well in the right role.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Idk. I liked Ghost in the Shell. It was awesome and Scarjo brought Motoko to life. Screw the SJWs, they never seen the anime movie or anything. The creator himself liked Scarjo in the role.

That movie is eyecandy in every frame almost on par with Blade Runner 2049. It's magnificent visually. The story got a little bit lost in translation though - there was no need for the alterations.

[Leo656]

CKD: The thing about Downey is, he's not "really" an actor. He wasn't "playing Tony Stark" and thus hasn't been "playing Tony Stark" in any other movies since then. He's just RDJ in everything, same as Will Smith, Bill Murray, or Jack Nicholson. These people are great performers with gallons of charisma, and I'm not saying they don't deserve their lofty status in the entertainment world. I'm simply saying, they don't act, they merely crack wise and get paid for it because they're charming.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Y'know who'd be a fvcking great Doctor Dolittle? John C Reilly, bitches. THAT'S who would rock the role.

Whenever anyone mentions John C. Reilly, I always get him confused with Charles Nelson Reilly and end up wishing that he'd have gotten the part(s), instead.

Because as we all know, Charles Nelson Reilly won the Tour de France with two flat tires and a missing chain.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

CKD: The thing about Downey is, he's not "really" an actor. He wasn't "playing Tony Stark" and thus hasn't been "playing Tony Stark" in any other movies since then. He's just RDJ in everything, same as Will Smith, Bill Murray, or Jack Nicholson. These people are great performers with gallons of charisma, and I'm not saying they don't deserve their lofty status in the entertainment world. I'm simply saying, they don't act, they merely crack wise and get paid for it because they're charming.



Whenever anyone mentions John C. Reilly, I always get him confused with Charles Nelson Reilly and end up wishing that he'd have gotten the part(s), instead.

Because as we all know, Charles Nelson Reilly won the Tour de France with two flat tires and a missing chain.

The way Downey played Stark was always way to wise-ass for me as an old Iron Man fan. But that ship sailed and it's how everyone defines the character now. And Ill tell you what - after meeting RDJR I'd say that Stark is closest to his real personality when he's in "star" mode.

On that note though, he's done some terrific acting outside of Iron Man - Chaplain, A Scanner Darkly and U.S. Marshalls are all pretty good examples of forming legit characters.

Ironic I would say this because I'm "the Iron Man guy" but it's all basically just true.

As to the thread, I am so curious for the day when hard evidence beyond theater owner reports of the Disney book-cooking gets leaked, and we see how protected Craptain Marvel really was and what the real totals were.

[Leo656]

You'd know better than me as you've apparently seen him in way more stuff than I have.

Which still doesn't address the fact that Charles Nelson Reilly figured out cold fusion, but he never, ever told a soul.

One wonders what Tony Stark could have done with that info. Alas...

[Coola Yagami]

Just to mention Scajo again real quick, she was the only reason I checked out Lucy. Like, I was a Ghost in the Shell fan, so unless the trailer looked super cheap and horrible, I would have seen it regardless who played Motoko, but Lucy wouldn't have gotten a second look from me if Scarjo wasn't in it.

It was decent for what it was until the ending. It was just..... bizzare as all hell. But everything before that as she was discovering her powers and stuff was pretty cool.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Just to mention Scajo again real quick, she was the only reason I checked out Lucy. Like, I was a Ghost in the Shell fan, so unless the trailer looked super cheap and horrible, I would have seen it regardless who played Motoko, but Lucy wouldn't have gotten a second look from me if Scarjo wasn't in it.

It was decent for what it was until the ending. It was just..... bizzare as all hell. But everything before that as she was discovering her powers and stuff was pretty cool.

Lucy is a terrific flick too, although I attribute that one to Luc Besson's amazing film making moreso than Scarlett. She's good enough in it. She's also an unspoken hero for her small role in The Prestige.

[Andrew NDB]

Lucy was very entertaining. Batsh** crazy... like such a strange amalgam of things. A little 2001: A Space Odyssey, a little La Femme Nikita, etc..

Also Scarjo was really good in "Under the Skin." Very underrated artsy movie with very little dialogue where she plays a fatal alien seductress. Very sad, bizarre, and tragic.

She tends to consistently make very interesting acting choices her whole career.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Lucy was very entertaining. Batsh** crazy... like such a strange amalgam of things. A little 2001: A Space Odyssey, a little La Femme Nikita, etc..

Also Scarjo was really good in "Under the Skin." Very underrated artsy movie with very little dialogue where she plays a fatal alien seductress. Very sad, bizarre, and tragic.

She tends to consistently make very interesting acting choices.

Yeah, Lucy and GITS probably didn't make gangbusters, but she's someone I like seeing in other movies besides the MCU ones, especially if they're action oriented. I woulda been curious to see her in the transgender one she never got to make due to SJW backlash and such nonsense. I would have liked to see how she would have performed in that one, but oh well.

RDJ..... I have no real rush to watch Dr. Dolittle. Same for Evans and Knives Out.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Evans and Knives Out.

I won't see that simply because I don't want to give Rian Johnson a dime. Go see Murder On The Orient Express instead. Murder On The Orient Express was a masterpiece, man. I can't wait for the sequel.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Also Scarjo was really good in "Under the Skin." Very underrated artsy movie with very little dialogue where she plays a fatal alien seductress. Very sad, bizarre, and tragic.

That was a very strange movie, man.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I won't see that simply because I don't want to give Rian Johnson a dime.

No matter what you or I could say about TFA being the wrong approach for 7... there's really no getting around Rian Johnson just about single-handedly giving Star Wars a bullet to the brain with TLJ from which it'll never really recover. Yeah, stuff like The Mandalorian will be fine, but that giddy feeling waiting to see the new Star Wars movie, like a big event is happening... I don't think that will ever return. It kind of can't, now. And it's his fault.

That he's a big flag-waving SJW doesn't help either.

So yeah. No more money for you.

That was a very strange movie, man.

Haunting, even. It stays with you.

[Voltron]

Casting Scarlett Johansson as a Japanese woman brings up an interesting point in light of Leo's comment.

Did they really NEED to cast Scarlett Johansson as Kusanagi? It's not like there aren't Japanese actresses (or even East Asian) that could have filled the role. The studio dished out some cash on a big name star to drum up interest in the film.

I still agree with Leo's opinion that the story is more important than the cast (usually), and a big budget, live action Ghost in the Shell movie would've have gotten me in the theater.

However, I'm having a hard time coming up with big name actresses of Asian descent in Hollywood.

Do you think there would've been a significant loss in revenue had the studio actually cast a lesser known (or no name) actress? It would've cost less money to do it, but would it have been a kiss of death for the film's revenue?

Also, I thought it was kind of weird how they kidnapped a Japanese girl, erased her memories, put her into a hot blonde android, but then still gave her a Japanese name.

[AquaParade]

I watched Under the Skin twice, and still don't fully understand all the praise it gets. I mean, I like it, but It sure is bizarre and haunting.

There are two key scenes I won't forget for a long time due to the eeriness of the visuals. Cool flick.

[raph27]

Sounds like I will need to watch Under the Skin at some point, sounds interesting.

I think a Captain Marvel sequel has possibility to fix a lot of the problems that people had with the first one. Most notably, the writers last time were kind of under a barrel since all her Endgame stuff had been filmed before anything from the solo movie, so they couldn't really do much with her character. It also didn't help that she was being restricted by the Kree for so much of the first movie that she didn't have much of a chance to show a new side of her.

Hopefully with a clean slate and no pressure of tying into an Avengers event will give the Marvel team a chance to really let Carol shine on her own, and go up against some proper rivals instead of "pew-pewing" everyone like at the end of the first movie.