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06-10-2019, 02:17 AM | #1 | |
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Ciro Nieli 'I feel like it will come back someday' denofgeek interview
Ciro is out promoting his new book The Art of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (from the 2012 Nick show) and this interview has a lot to dissect for fans of the show. It's a pretty long interview and they talk about quite a lot of things.
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles interview: Ciro Nieli 'I feel like it will come back someday' Also a reminder, the book comes out THIS TUESDAY so get a copy! |
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06-10-2019, 02:29 AM | #2 | |
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06-10-2019, 02:45 AM | #3 |
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Some interesting things there that I didn't know, like he was asked to work on a Usagi series with Dark Horse right after but it never panned out, also he offered to work on Rise, I get his reasons for choosing not to.
It looks like (although he would still do the one off story he wanted to tell) that a special is unlikely at least for sometime, but I figured that recently anyway. I do wonder what his new show is though. Last edited by newfan; 06-10-2019 at 02:51 AM. |
06-10-2019, 09:57 AM | #4 |
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just glad he's done with tmnt. didn't feel he was a good fit for it.....designs might have been ok, but story consistency was rather lacking.
i'd just rather let 2012, and with any luck the bigger mess that is rise, rest in pieces...and hope something comes along that can last ten years or more, so we stop with the constant reboots
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06-10-2019, 10:45 AM | #5 |
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Fantastic & relatively in-depth interview. Very interesting to know how the extent of his involvement in TMNT could have gone much further, but at the cost of his own insights. Probably made the right call. I'm sure he'll return to TMNT one day, at any rate.
What a shame that Usagi series fell through, though- damn! We get it, you're still bitter he told you off on Facebook after harassing him for a year.
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06-10-2019, 11:22 AM | #6 |
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"So even before a season was begun it was keeping in mind, there’s gonna be this many mutants and this many figures and new outfits for the Turtles."
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06-17-2019, 10:15 AM | #7 | |
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Really, it makes it all the more impressive how well this show turned out, all things considered. All in all, a pretty great rendition of the TMNT. Not my favorite, but more than I would have ever expected from a Nickelodeon TMNT cartoon, at the time of the sale. I mean, I actually do enjoy it, which was a stretch considering my preference for hand-drawn animation and the fact that I can count the number of Saturday morning cartoons I enjoy on one hand. |
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06-17-2019, 10:32 AM | #8 | |
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I'd like to think that 4kids didn't have that problem at least. The sad part is this show could have been truly great. but it suffered from rather weak villain stories..weak villains. and lack of direction. the long breaks didn't help it either, but all the elements where there for success.
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07-24-2019, 05:22 AM | #9 | |
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I never watched the 2003 show when it aired (only saw a couple of random episodes) but recently my son and I have been watching them all in order (currently we are in season 5). I really like the show a lot (as does my son) but it doesn't come close (in my opinion) to the 2012 show in terms of quality storytelling. Don't get me wrong, I really LIKE the show but the 2012 show was just THE perfect TMNT show in my opinion. A tough act to follow, for sure! Don't get me started on "RISE"!! |
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07-24-2019, 06:36 AM | #10 |
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My personal opinion is somewhere in between AquaParade and rickwj324. It’s not my favorite era of TMNT (that’s reserved for 2003), but it’s still up there by a landslide. I myself found myself a bit emotional when I rewatched “It Came from the Depths” the other day, which I mean in a good way.
Though, if there’s one thing I agree with Vegita-San over, it’s that we have too many reboots at this point.
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07-24-2019, 09:30 AM | #12 | |
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Spider-Man and Batman have no true story other than their origins and the origins of the villains. They both have such a huge rogues gallery that you can mix and match villains and stories for years and reboots. Plus their comics are neverending, so future cartoons can add even more things like Superior Spider-Man, Spider Gwen, The Signal, Joker with his face cut off and whatever else. The Turtles story pretty much ends when they end the Shredder and the resulting fallout.
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07-24-2019, 05:38 PM | #13 | |
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For example, in 1986 or so, Frank Miller's "Year One" became the new "official" Batman origin, but it tried very hard not to change too much of the existing story, and stories taking place pre-1986 still happened within the continuity, they just happened a *little* bit differently than as told previously. Or like "The Killing Joke"; it tells the exact same story as the previous "official" Joker origin story that had been told and re-told since the 1950s, it just changed a few of the details to make it a bit more contemporary. MOST mainstream comic book characters actually only ever get a handful of "hard reboots" that toss out everything and start from zero. Superman has probably had the most of these, but more often, it's preferable to "soft retcon" a few details here and there rather than wipe the slate clean. Every new TMNT version is a brand new and unique version, with NO resemblance to any previous version, and yes, we absolutely have WAY too many conflicting versions at this point, especially since the property really isn't that old compared to others. If a person asks, "What is Splinter's origin?", it shouldn't be a 30-minute explanation covering 8 different and conflicting stories. "Who Is April O'Neil?" You should have ONE primary answer, and maybe she's a little older or younger, or her hair is different, or whatever, depending on the version. She shouldn't be a completely different human being with a completely different origin and life story in each new version, and we shouldn't be doing a hard re-set every 5 years or so. That's sloppy, lazy bullsh*t. Just to clarify.
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07-24-2019, 08:36 AM | #14 | |
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As for reboots, I would've preferred the 2k12 show to continue (even if it reverted to a cheaper 2D version to save on animation but still continue the stories of the 2k12 show and using the same actors). I've been very vocal about my hatred towards "Rise". I know it has it's fanbase (which I respect) but man do I have a tough time sitting through that show. My 6 year old watches it, but even he says its nowhere near as good as the 2k12 or 2k3 shows. I admit that I do collect the figures from RISE though, just because I love collecting TMNT figures and RISE has a nice selection of villain figures so far. I do hope that the next reboot offers something totally different then what we got from RISE. I'd honestly love to see something resembling the IDW series (understanding it would be toned down for the kiddies a bit, but not as "kiddy" as RISE. 2K12 had a great balance of adult stories that were also kid friendly). Rick |
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06-10-2019, 03:53 PM | #15 |
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So .... how much it costs that artbook?
Anyway Hello guys, it has been a long time since the last time I read the forum. |
06-10-2019, 07:49 PM | #16 |
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Darn it Nick/Viacom, let him make that special he wanted. Now that he's talked about it, it sounds pretty awesome.
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06-10-2019, 09:44 PM | #17 |
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Glad Ciro is not in Rise, didn't like his style and while I enjoyed 2012, it was lackluster. With that said I'd love a 2012 special/movie or whatever, maybe once enough years happen and some nostalgia kicks in.
They have the models after all, can't be all that expensive. 2012 could've easily had another season with some type of gimmick. It just seemed to end abruptly, even with 100+ episodes and most story arcs finished I kind of wanted a little more from the 2012 universe. Mutant Apocalypse won't be matched though. Best finale ever. |
06-11-2019, 01:25 AM | #18 | |
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https://www.amazon.com/Art-Teenage-M...dp/1506709931/ Ranks among the best iterations of TMNT for me. It knew where to stick with what worked from before yet still innovate in other areas. Perfectly melds the best aspects of Mirage and Fred Wolf with some choice cherry picks from other iterations, while still packing in loads of new material. Criticisms can be made as with anything, but for me most of them stem from budgetary limitations or the realities of working on a show where toy concerns are part of the mandate. But when it shines, it shines bright! Last edited by Zulithe; 06-11-2019 at 01:37 AM. |
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06-12-2019, 03:44 PM | #19 |
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It's very likely the 2012 series gets revisited in a DVD/blu-ray movie at some point. We got both a Batman/TMNT crossover and Rise is getting a movie, 2012 getting one eventually makes sense.
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06-12-2019, 06:16 PM | #20 | |
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