Don’t Expect a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3, Says Producer

[Autbot_Benz]

“Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows” under-performed at the box office, earning $245 million worldwide — half the gross of its 2014 predecessor — and catching its producers by surprise.

“We loved the movie. We loved making the movie,” producer Andrew Form told Collider. “From our first Super Bowl teaser to everything we launched, we felt so good about our material, and for some reason it did not find the audience that the first movie found.”

RELATED: “TMNT: Out of the Shadows” Honest Trailer Gets Right to the Point

When it came to what went wrong, Form offered, “We talk about it all the time, and we tried to figure it out, but we cannot put our finger on what happened. We really can’t. It’s just one of those things where we feel like we made a really great movie; we thought at the time that our release date was great, and we added all these new characters with Bebop and Rocksteady and Baxter Stockwell had a big role in the movie and Casey Jones and for some reason when it came to opening weekend … Even before the movie came out, we were feeling great. And you wake up two days before the movie opens and you go, ‘Wow, I don’t know if this movie is tracking as well as it should.'”

Ultimately, the low box-office numbers likely spell doom for another sequel. “I don’t think there’s ‘Turtles 3,'” Form said, “but I wouldn’t say there’s never going to be another ‘Turtles’ movie.”

“Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows” is available on Digital HD, Blu-ray and DVD.

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[thundermaster612]

So they'll make a different universe movie?

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

When it came to what went wrong, Form offered, “We talk about it all the time, and we tried to figure it out, but we cannot put our finger on what happened. We really can’t. It’s just one of those things where we feel like we made a really great movie; we thought at the time that our release date was great, and we added all these new characters with Bebop and Rocksteady and Baxter Stockwell had a big role in the movie and Casey Jones and for some reason when it came to opening weekend … Even before the movie came out, we were feeling great. And you wake up two days before the movie opens and you go, ‘Wow, I don’t know if this movie is tracking as well as it should.'”

New characters from the old show ≠ Good movie.

Good storytelling/writing/characters/smart humor/action = Good movie.

[Shellington]

The films were okay IMO. Standard superhero fare which took elements from the TMNT story, and was reasonably faithful and enjoyable.


The problem is they couldn't get together a good origin for the mutated animals, which really spoiled things.

The first film took from Rise of the Planet of the Apes (animals used as lab subjects for a new medication, that grants them intelligence and humanoid capability) and The Amazing Spider-Man (lizard-like humanoids, fight on a tower), and also from the IDW TMNT comics (Turtles and Splinter raised in a lab, the reincarnations of Hamato Yoshi and his four dead sons). But they removed Hamato Yoshi, so it didn't feel right.


The second film did a little better IMO with introducing Bebop and Rocksteady and Krang, and slightly embracing its cartoonish cowabunga crazy nature. And then they used a different mutagen origin: inside every human there's a dormant animal gene from an animal ancestor, and the Mutagen Ooze allows that gene to dominate the human and turn into its respective ancestor. Thus, Bebop and Rocksteady evolved from warthogs and rhinos and the Turtles could evolve into humans if the mutagen was altered. That logic makes no damn sense, even for 1980s Ninja Turtles which was over-the-top.


Also, the Shredder was underused in both films. In the first film he was the stepfather some white businessman who wanted to use the mutagen to kill people and then make a cure to sell to people, becoming stupid rich (his own words). Actually, the white dude was supposed to be the Shredder but people complained so they brought in a Japanese actor.
The second film kept him Japanese, but had him be Krang's errand boy and later slave, and didn't even give him good armor or a fight with the Turtles IMO.


I have to admit, I don't know where the third film could have gone. Would it be Turtles in time (again), or Turtles in space?


Anyway that's it for Michael Bay's TMNT.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Good. Rip the rights out of Platinum Dunes' hands, wait a few years, and try again with actual writers. ACTUAL. WRITERS. Who respect the source material in ALL of its forms.

[TMNTChris1980]

Thank God this nightmare is over.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Are these idiots seriously that oblivious or are they just trying to cover their trail of destruction by shrugging their shoulders?

[IndigoErth]

— and catching its producers by surprise.

Wait, so despite the high levels of criticism, and even hate, after the first, the fact that audiences didn't pour in for the second caught them by surprise? Exactly how long have these people been in that business..? Have they not been down the sequel road before?? You'd think they'd have a better sense of predicting of how a sequel may turn out if audience reviews for the first weren't great. Way to be solely focused on the money.

Being (or acting) so clueless doesn't look good on anyone handling big films. Rather, you collectively look like a complete crock that needs to call it quits in that industry.

“We talk about it all the time, and we tried to figure it out, but we cannot put our finger on what happened. We really can’t.

You made some poor choices and f'ed up the first, which negatively impacted interest in the second. Why is that so hard to grasp, take off the cloak of denial you're hiding in...

You can't just shake a sparkly Technodrome at fans and expect people to come running if they didn't like how the first turned out. People aren't dogs, we're not going to just up and forgive everything because you tossed a shiny new ball our way.

our release date was great

A really slow time of the year with not much else good to see might have been a better choice...


You owe the Turtles an apology. Maybe not necessarily even to viewers, as people aren't required to like everything (though maybe to those who want their money back), but the Turtles deserved better treatment from the get-go. No matter what version and design they are.





The part of me that wants these idiots away from the Turtles is fine with it. The part of me that at least felt the 2nd was better in some important ways via changes I was really hoping would happen for almost 2 years, and had continued to want to see it correct this black mark in the franchise and improve itself over time and kinda wanted to know where it would go from here for these Turtles... that part is a little sad and irked at them for screwing up in the first place.

I feel bad for the director though. He's still new and surely trying to get films that turned out well under his name is still important to him. They kind of screwed him by not getting better writers to handle the script.

Also the Turtles' actors, I wouldn't mind them portraying our boys still for a while.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Are these idiots seriously that oblivious or are they just trying to cover their trail of destruction by shrugging their shoulders?

It's most likely the latter.

Either way, glad this particular movie franchise is dead.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Emote on what? Convince us of what? There is nothing to accomplish any of that in said film. The stakes of some nonsense that equates to nonsense?

But aside from that... it's a bit, let's pretend this is an episode of the actor's studio. Scene 23 shot 5 take 1... Amell doing lame hack dialogue while emoting against a greenscreen with probably a lame Rocksteady tennis ball stand-in with probably little to no direction. You think Amell is allowed to do anything but what Puppet Director/Viacom wants him to do? OK. Now TMNT 1990. Koteas says, "Hey, let me go a little wild here, is that cool?" They would say yes.

No disrespect, but I've seen the films (Mind you, I'm certainly not bragging about it) & I understand you have opted not to (wisely). I'd like to think my familiarity gives me a foot to stand on here. There's enough material, garbage or not, for them to have shown they have some semblance of skill, like the Turtles' voice cast did. Do I really have to explain what I mean? You know, like, expressions that genuinely convey anger or fear as opposed to blank faces or mild eyebrow movement. Voices that rather than just becoming louder, are backed by those feelings, voices which have changes in tonality, in pitch. They're staler than WW2 ration crackers, my dude.

I cannot wrap my head around you thinking we live in a universe where Viacom pays people to ensure that their human leads in the breakout films of an immensely popular money-making franchise don't do anything more than look (passably) good. Considering the way April O'neil has been pushed in the 3 new iterations, its safe to say that her heavy involvement has been developed/pushed by Viacom, so they didn't have the whole "Shredder's cronies killed my daddy so I have to be the one who kills him" bit in the first film just for kicks. They, whoever they is, wanted to give her an arc, something that starts off with a tug of the heart strings & resolves with a "YEAH!" when she gets her revenge. & with Casey you're supposed to see the rage & sadness of a guy whose childhood dreams, ego, & professional reputation get crushed simultaneously. The characters are generally shallow, no question, but do these denote a cardboard performance? They were obviously, however poorly, intended to be "deep", & one would think somebody, somewhere, hoped the performances would put that across. You think a director or someone else of more powerful creative influence is sitting there like "Yeah, we like how they're written, but they need to be flat as possible on-screen."? You think there's a chance those two actors really wanted to get experimental with their roles, to go all out & give compelling performances, but got shot down by the latest Bay-For-Hire at the license holders behest? You think they have the ability to pull that off in the first place, were they not prevented in this hypothetical scenario? If Green or anyone else told them to dial it back, it would only be because they're not capable of delivering whatever it was they attempted beyond what we saw in the final cuts.

Yes, the #1 issue is how it was written. But the point is, they all suck, the writers, most of the cast, probably the directors/producers. Would Steve Barron have gotten a good April/Casey out of these two, with or without different material? Really? Really?

Why you would dismiss a wide-scale dislike for their casting & subsequent performances as being "fanboy rage" & have faith in these C- at best tier talents is absolutely beyond me. I could see one of your "plants" making that argument, but you?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Shellington

The films were okay IMO. Standard superhero fare which took elements from the TMNT story, and was reasonably faithful and enjoyable.


The problem is they couldn't get together a good origin for the mutated animals, which really spoiled things.

The first film took from Rise of the Planet of the Apes (animals used as lab subjects for a new medication, that grants them intelligence and humanoid capability) and The Amazing Spider-Man (lizard-like humanoids, fight on a tower), and also from the IDW TMNT comics (Turtles and Splinter raised in a lab, the reincarnations of Hamato Yoshi and his four dead sons). But they removed Hamato Yoshi, so it didn't feel right.


The second film did a little better IMO with introducing Bebop and Rocksteady and Krang, and slightly embracing its cartoonish cowabunga crazy nature. And then they used a different mutagen origin: inside every human there's a dormant animal gene from an animal ancestor, and the Mutagen Ooze allows that gene to dominate the human and turn into its respective ancestor. Thus, Bebop and Rocksteady evolved from warthogs and rhinos and the Turtles could evolve into humans if the mutagen was altered. That logic makes no damn sense, even for 1980s Ninja Turtles which was over-the-top.


Also, the Shredder was underused in both films. In the first film he was the stepfather some white businessman who wanted to use the mutagen to kill people and then make a cure to sell to people, becoming stupid rich (his own words). Actually, the white dude was supposed to be the Shredder but people complained so they brought in a Japanese actor.
The second film kept him Japanese, but had him be Krang's errand boy and later slave, and didn't even give him good armor or a fight with the Turtles IMO.


I have to admit, I don't know where the third film could have gone. Would it be Turtles in time (again), or Turtles in space?


Anyway that's it for Michael Bay's TMNT.

Micheal Bay called your check is in the mail

also glad this franchise is gone Casey was ruined

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Shellington

Also, the Shredder was underused in both films. In the first film he was the stepfather some white businessman who wanted to use the mutagen to kill people and then make a cure to sell to people, becoming stupid rich (his own words).

No, that was the white businessman not Shredder who wanted to become stupid rich.

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

New characters from the old show ≠ Good movie.

Good storytelling/writing/characters/smart humor/action = Good movie.

The 1987 TV series and its characters are not to blame for the box-office performance of this film. People just really don't want to see Michael Bay films anymore. Transformers: Age of Extinction did not bring in as big of numbers as its predecessors. It's North American box-office total might not even be that accurate since Rentrak stated that its opening weekend numbers were not what the receipts stated. People also just really don't want to see films with bad reviews anymore. Suicide Squad was the rare exception this year while Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice barely turned a profit.

[snake]

These people really are clueless

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

The 1987 TV series and its characters are not to blame for the box-office performance of this film. People just really don't want to see Michael Bay films anymore. Transformers: Age of Extinction did not bring in as big of numbers as its predecessors.

What the hell are you talking about? The damn thing made over a billion dollars. People (in general) still go and watch the Transformers movies, there was no drop in attendance. Michael Bay himself is not to blame for this.

The problem with Out of the Shadows is that it's a sequel to an unpopular movie that barely broke even, very few people want to see a sequel to movie they either didn't watch or didn't like, and it really doesn't help that Out of the Shadows isn't a good movie either.

And while the FW elements might not be to blame, they certainly didn't help.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

The 1987 TV series and its characters are not to blame for the box-office performance of this film. People just really don't want to see Michael Bay films anymore. Transformers: Age of Extinction did not bring in as big of numbers as its predecessors. It's North American box-office total might not even be that accurate since Rentrak stated that its opening weekend numbers were not what the receipts stated. People also just really don't want to see films with bad reviews anymore. Suicide Squad was the rare exception this year while Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice barely turned a profit.

Age of Extinction utterly destroyed the box office. Granted, not as much as past Transformers movies, but Age of Extinction shattered the box office.

And I only make that statement because according to the quote, these people expected the film to turn in great profits because, in their own words, "we added all these new characters with Bebop and Rocksteady and Baxter Stockwell had a big role in the movie and Casey Jones."

That does not mean good movie. How you represent those characters means good movie. You'd think they'd get that, but apparently not.

Hopefully the franchise get a fresh start and TMNT can be seen in a new, more respectful light in an upcoming movie. As long as PD isn't involved and/or they actually get good writers/director.

[Candy Kappa]

It's nice to get confirmation, good riddance.

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by neatoman

What the hell are you talking about? The damn thing made over a billion dollars. People (in general) still go and watch the Transformers movies, there was no drop in attendance. Michael Bay himself is not to blame for this.

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Age of Extinction utterly destroyed the box office. Granted, not as much as past Transformers movies, but Age of Extinction shattered the box office.

I should've been more specific. I meant that it didn't reach the same heights as its predecessors at the North American box-office. The first and third made over $300 million while the second made over $400 million. The last one made $241 million, which I thought was seen as a sign of fatigue for those films. Still, that is a very respectable total.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice barely turned a profit.

BvS had a worldwide gross of over 800 million off a 250 million dollar budget so....what?

[Bry]

Oh man! I just picked up my NECA Foot Clan set and I thought today could get no better for me TMNT-wise.

I mean, condolences to those who enjoyed this series, but I think it's pretty obvious they botched this from jump street. Though BayFormers keeps chugging along with idiotic garbage, I'm glad the audience rejected this one, and hopefully they find filmmakers/producers who understand how to make a good Turtles movie with the next attempt.

This says it all:

When it came to what went wrong, Form offered, “We talk about it all the time, and we tried to figure it out, but we cannot put our finger on what happened. We really can’t. It’s just one of those things where we feel like we made a really great movie; we thought at the time that our release date was great, and we added all these new characters with Bebop and Rocksteady and Baxter Stockwell had a big role in the movie and Casey Jones and for some reason when it came to opening weekend … Even before the movie came out, we were feeling great. And you wake up two days before the movie opens and you go, ‘Wow, I don’t know if this movie is tracking as well as it should.'”

These guys never understood the property. Never ever. They never even tried. Nothing about their take felt really "right" -- at best it was just really shallow, cynical lip service to what they assumed the fans wanted, that didn't capture the characters, the tone, or the spirit of what those fans actually love. These producers are little more than brand monetizers -- they thought "put Bebop and Rocksteady in it" was a surefire recipe for success, and that was the beginning and the end of their thought process. They didn't care one bit. It was an empty cash-grab with no heart, and it deserved to fail. With luck, Form and Fuller will be kept far, far away from whatever comes next.