Why was Rise cancelled? - Page 6

*CyberCubed* · 12-08-2020, 08:06 AM

Makes me wonder instead of Nick making a third TMNT cartoon anytime soon, they'll just revisit either 2012 or Rise with a set of movies or something. I guess we'll see if the Rise movie does well on netflix, if it does, we might see more of stuff along those lines.

I really don't expect another TMNT cartoon anytime soon, as I think Nick will take a break for awhile, but having movies is pretty possible.

*sdp* · 12-08-2020, 08:14 AM

If Rise is somehow popular in Netflix we could get more, but I see that as not very likely. I think it could be possible for 2012 to get a "special" to revive interest in the brand with the cartoon that people actually cared for since they already have the 3D models and that way they don't commit to anything.

If neither of those scenarios happen which neither has a high chance of happening then we'll be in a hiatus for a few years which I'm also fine with.

Slash-Dash · 12-10-2020, 07:05 AM

as far as I know, rise hasn't been officially cancelled.

*IndigoErth* · 12-10-2020, 10:05 AM

Though never being "officially" canceled via direct wording isn't too uncommon these days, unfortunately, but the posts made by those who worked on this show seemed like a pretty strong indication after it ended early, and if anyone knows the truth, it's them.

A binge watch show on Netflix might have been a better option to begin with, and I mean, things on a rare occasion can return -- it worked for Futurama? -- but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

*Autbot_Benz* · 12-10-2020, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Slash-Dash

as far as I know, rise hasn't been officially cancelled.

it was by the people who worked on the show many came forth and said it was done.

*Coola Yagami* · 12-10-2020, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Makes me wonder instead of Nick making a third TMNT cartoon anytime soon, they'll just revisit either 2012 or Rise with a set of movies or something.

Doubtful. The most we'll see of Nick 2012 is if they either adapt the other Batman crossover based on the animated series, or there's another Turtles Forever crossover with the 2012 and whatever future TMNT incarnation there is.

I mean the OT TMNT are still the most popular and other than cameos and crossovers, they haven't come back with a brand new show or anything, so pretty doubtful 2012 TMNT will do the same.

*CyberCubed* · 12-10-2020, 02:57 PM

I mean Nick made their own series, it would make more sense than to make an original cartoon movie. Likewise the 2012 series will always be remembered as the "first" Nick TMNT cartoon, so if they make 3-4 cartoons later, the 2012 one will likely remain the most iconic of all the "modern" TMNT cartoons since the Nick buyout.

aprilbound · 12-13-2020, 10:14 AM

The animation in this show was absolutely dire, why can't they draw realistic humans anymore?

Diorm · 12-14-2020, 08:09 AM

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The animation in this show was absolutely dire, why can't they draw realistic humans anymore?

You mean the artstyle.
The animation was one of the stronger point of the series.

*Powder* · 12-14-2020, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aprilbound

The animation in this show was absolutely dire, why can't they draw realistic humans anymore?

Going by your username I'm going to guess you're just mad you didn't get proper fetish material.

*The Fifth Turtle* · 12-17-2020, 05:00 AM

So, I haven’t been following Rise and this may be posted somewhere else but...how many seasons and episodes did this show conclude at? I’d like to try and watch them all. Thank you for your help!

*CyberCubed* · 12-17-2020, 08:17 AM

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So, I haven’t been following Rise and this may be posted somewhere else but...how many seasons and episodes did this show conclude at? I’d like to try and watch them all. Thank you for your help!

It has 2 seasons total.

I used this guide for the episode list since most eps are only 11 minutes and have two different episodes in each 22 minute episode:

https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/...rtles_episodes

There's also a movie coming out next year that will take place after the series ended.

Ioz · 12-31-2020, 11:22 AM

Bad ratings and bad toy sales, which this show seemed to have both of, doomed it. It just didn't capture the imagination of both kids and old fans like the previous ones. They made too drastic of changes.

*Zulithe* · 12-31-2020, 01:03 PM

While I'm way happier with how 2012 turned out than Rise, RotTMNT will still make for an interesting bullet point in TMNT history. Mostly for how fun the action sequences were to watch. That's certainly an area where future TMNT content could learn from. Maybe how wacky/zany it was at times won't fit with every imagining of the franchise, but the pure kinetic energy of it was really entertaining. They are teenagers, so of course they are going to inject a lot of style and personality into their combat. I think that was one of the strongest aspects of the show. Not much else resonated with me.

I'm just ready to move on to what is next. They'd do well to learn from the shortcomings of Rise and how they can appeal to more fans of the franchise. You could look at Star Wars or other franchises which, even when making shows aimed at kids, know that adult fans will be watching and make sure it's got something for them as well.

DragonSoul · 01-01-2021, 07:36 PM

I enjoyed RotTMNT because of its fresh, semi-accurate take on the characters. Raphael was my favorite, the whole snapper turtle look is very fitting to his character as a whole and his fits of rage actually made him closer to his original Mirage version. However, I am not blind to RotTMNT's shortcomings and fair criticism. I think there is one major criticism that isn't touched on yet which is the critical reviews that said RotTMNT teaches kids to be immoral. So how can a show marketed towards children survive a criticism that makes it detrimental to the mental development of children? not so much which is why I think in combination with all other criticisms that the critical reviews that complained about the show being immoral is the final nail in the coffin.

As for the criticism that says RotTMNT teaches children to be immoral there are a few scenes provided as evidence. The first episode was used to showcase that the turtles are immoral. When the turtles bypassed the criminal activity seen at a party to instead have fun at a rooftop pool it created a moral issue. In which, the controversial scene teaches children to be immature with no responsibility to do what is right. I can't really remember the critic's other examples right now. Yet it seems like the show's early, poor writing and overlooked immoral implications may have played a role in a pitch that ended the show.

*IndigoErth* · 01-01-2021, 07:55 PM

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The first episode was used to showcase that the turtles are immoral. When the turtles bypassed the criminal activity seen at a party to instead have fun at a rooftop pool it created a moral issue. In which, the controversial scene teaches children to be immature with no responsibility to do what is right.

Well, while the Turtles are just kids, esp in this one, and not really their job to stop crime, let alone notice what covert things the boring adult humans are doing, there are certainly other moments that are better examples of immoral behavior if anyone really wanted to point that out as criticism of the show. Particularly, it was disappointing that the writing didn't find a creative way to have them gain/earn those new weapons. Nope, they just ended up in a strange place, saw shiny weapons...and stole them.

Klunk1234 · 01-02-2021, 11:42 PM

Happy New Yeat! Is Rise cancelled? If it is, well... good riddance. That show was so horrible. I hope the Turtles have another series that is good like the 2k3 or 2012.

shredder orokusaki · 01-04-2021, 01:10 AM

I agree with Klunk the next series will be like 2003 or 2012 to be succesful. At least there is the IDW series but it is not the same as it is a comic and not a tv series.

DragonSoul · 01-05-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Well, while the Turtles are just kids, esp in this one, and not really their job to stop crime, let alone notice what covert things the boring adult humans are doing, there are certainly other moments that are better examples of immoral behavior if anyone really wanted to point that out as criticism of the show. Particularly, it was disappointing that the writing didn't find a creative way to have them gain/earn those new weapons. Nope, they just ended up in a strange place, saw shiny weapons...and stole them.

To be honest, I don't remember much from that scathing review of RotTMNT nor can I find it again. All I know is the first episodes were used in their complaint of the show. The part were the turtles steal their weapons may have been used as well but I am not sure on that. I think the main point is that RotTMNT had a very bad initial impression which may have contributed to its cancellation.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 01-05-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonSoul

To be honest, I don't remember much from that scathing review of RotTMNT nor can I find it again. All I know is the first episodes were used in their complaint of the show. The part were the turtles steal their weapons may have been used as well but I am not sure on that. I think the main point is that RotTMNT had a very bad initial impression which may have contributed to its cancellation.

That may be true but from what I've watched, the show doesn't get any better for me. I know it was mainly aimed for a younger audience but it sort of speaks volumes when it doesn't catch on with it's intended audience. I just found it overall uninteresting.

12-08-2020, 08:14 AM	#102
sdp Megan Fox = April Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 9,999	If Rise is somehow popular in Netflix we could get more, but I see that as not very likely. I think it could be possible for 2012 to get a "special" to revive interest in the brand with the cartoon that people actually cared for since they already have the 3D models and that way they don't commit to anything. If neither of those scenarios happen which neither has a high chance of happening then we'll be in a hiatus for a few years which I'm also fine with. __________________ *Bye* *TMNT !!! I'm unaliving tonight* Click to join The Drome Discord server

01-04-2021, 01:10 AM	#118
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,407	I agree with Klunk the next series will be like 2003 or 2012 to be succesful. At least there is the IDW series but it is not the same as it is a comic and not a tv series. __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

12-08-2020, 08:06 AM	#101
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	Makes me wonder instead of Nick making a third TMNT cartoon anytime soon, they'll just revisit either 2012 or Rise with a set of movies or something. I guess we'll see if the Rise movie does well on netflix, if it does, we might see more of stuff along those lines. I really don't expect another TMNT cartoon anytime soon, as I think Nick will take a break for awhile, but having movies is pretty possible.

12-10-2020, 07:05 AM	#103
Slash-Dash Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: New York City Posts: 131	as far as I know, rise hasn't been officially cancelled.

12-10-2020, 10:05 AM	#104
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,242	Though never being "officially" canceled via direct wording isn't too uncommon these days, unfortunately, but the posts made by those who worked on this show seemed like a pretty strong indication after it ended early, and if anyone knows the truth, it's them. A binge watch show on Netflix might have been a better option to begin with, and I mean, things on a rare occasion can return -- it worked for Futurama? -- but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

12-10-2020, 02:57 PM	#107
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	I mean Nick made their own series, it would make more sense than to make an original cartoon movie. Likewise the 2012 series will always be remembered as the "first" Nick TMNT cartoon, so if they make 3-4 cartoons later, the 2012 one will likely remain the most iconic of all the "modern" TMNT cartoons since the Nick buyout.

12-13-2020, 10:14 AM	#108
aprilbound Mouser Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13	The animation in this show was absolutely dire, why can't they draw realistic humans anymore?

12-17-2020, 05:00 AM	#111
The Fifth Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago sewer Posts: 2,488	So, I haven’t been following Rise and this may be posted somewhere else but...how many seasons and episodes did this show conclude at? I’d like to try and watch them all. Thank you for your help!

12-31-2020, 11:22 AM	#113
Ioz Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 103	Bad ratings and bad toy sales, which this show seemed to have both of, doomed it. It just didn't capture the imagination of both kids and old fans like the previous ones. They made too drastic of changes.

12-31-2020, 01:03 PM	#114
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 6,008	While I'm way happier with how 2012 turned out than Rise, RotTMNT will still make for an interesting bullet point in TMNT history. Mostly for how fun the action sequences were to watch. That's certainly an area where future TMNT content could learn from. Maybe how wacky/zany it was at times won't fit with every imagining of the franchise, but the pure kinetic energy of it was really entertaining. They are teenagers, so of course they are going to inject a lot of style and personality into their combat. I think that was one of the strongest aspects of the show. Not much else resonated with me. I'm just ready to move on to what is next. They'd do well to learn from the shortcomings of Rise and how they can appeal to more fans of the franchise. You could look at Star Wars or other franchises which, even when making shows aimed at kids, know that adult fans will be watching and make sure it's got something for them as well.

01-01-2021, 07:36 PM	#115
DragonSoul Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Canada Posts: 36	I enjoyed RotTMNT because of its fresh, semi-accurate take on the characters. Raphael was my favorite, the whole snapper turtle look is very fitting to his character as a whole and his fits of rage actually made him closer to his original Mirage version. However, I am not blind to RotTMNT's shortcomings and fair criticism. I think there is one major criticism that isn't touched on yet which is the critical reviews that said RotTMNT teaches kids to be immoral. So how can a show marketed towards children survive a criticism that makes it detrimental to the mental development of children? not so much which is why I think in combination with all other criticisms that the critical reviews that complained about the show being immoral is the final nail in the coffin. As for the criticism that says RotTMNT teaches children to be immoral there are a few scenes provided as evidence. The first episode was used to showcase that the turtles are immoral. When the turtles bypassed the criminal activity seen at a party to instead have fun at a rooftop pool it created a moral issue. In which, the controversial scene teaches children to be immature with no responsibility to do what is right. I can't really remember the critic's other examples right now. Yet it seems like the show's early, poor writing and overlooked immoral implications may have played a role in a pitch that ended the show.

01-02-2021, 11:42 PM	#117
Klunk1234 Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: With the TMNT Posts: 462	Happy New Yeat! Is Rise cancelled? If it is, well... good riddance. That show was so horrible. I hope the Turtles have another series that is good like the 2k3 or 2012.