What if the first film was made like oots?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Imagine you're in 2014, and the first PD tmnt film is being released. It has the characters and plot of oots, but with changes such as:

1. Showing the turtles, splinters and shredders origin story with no Eric Sacks
2. No Vernon and Karai as these contribute nothing to the 2nd film.
3. The style and character designs of oots

How do you think this film would've done in comparison to the actual 2014 film, both in the box office and among fans/critics. How would it have affected the future of tmnt?

[Autbot_Benz]

it would still be **** seriously the PD films are done lets just move on

[snake]

It would've made the same at the box office as the first movie and got a sequel that would underpreform. The general audience doesn't give two sh*ts about what characters will appear or what influences the incarnation has.

TMNT is a name brand that generates interest on NAME ONLY. If the product is good, the interest stays. If it's sub-par (PDTMNT), the interest dies out.

[neatoman]

If the first one was more like the second? It would still suck, just even harder. Look, can we just accept that neither one of these movies worked out and just hope Paramount learns from their mistakes?

[Andrew NDB]

You mean if it had Bebop, Pizza, Cowabunga, and Krang... everything a fan would want?

Originally Posted by neatoman

If the first one was more like the second? It would still suck, just even harder.

There is nothing I could post in this thread that wouldn't be summed up with that, succinctly.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You mean if it had Bebop, Pizza, Cowabunga, and Krang... everything a fan would want?





There is nothing I could post in this thread that wouldn't be summed up with that, succinctly.

Most people did not hate that movie because of the Fred Wolf-isms, they hate it because of the Bay-isims. Those elements are golden under IDW's roof. Nobody wanted the OT as interpreted by Micheal Bay. They could have done a more serious take on the OT, with decent designs and good storytelling, and most people (with a few exceptions) would have at least accepted it.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Imagine you're in 2014, and the first PD tmnt film is being released. It has the characters and plot of oots, but with changes such as:

1. Showing the turtles, splinters and shredders origin story with no Eric Sacks
2. No Vernon and Karai as these contribute nothing to the 2nd film.
3. The style and character designs of oots

How do you think this film would've done in comparison to the actual 2014 film, both in the box office and among fans/critics. How would it have affected the future of tmnt?

The 1st film should've been Out Of The Shadows, The 1st movie had the opportunity to show Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang first, but they didn't, Even though the supposed script that was leaked did had Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang involved.

[IndigoErth]

If it would still spend time on origin stories, then it might inherently have to be a different film.

I think in terms of the effort they improved on the writing, characterizations, and interactions of the Turtles themselves, had 2016 been the first then what would have come after it, had there likewise still been a push for improvement, might have been better enough to put it in position for a third. Maybe. Essentially starting midway up rather than starting at rock bottom.

Trying to be looney toons/OT aside, the Turtles were otherwise so much better in this one, makes me sad that everything else around them had to screw it over for them.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

The 1st film should've been Out Of The Shadows, The 1st movie had the opportunity to show Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang first, but they didn't, Even though the supposed script that was leaked did had Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang involved.

I would've preferred a film with the general plot of 2014 but in the style of oots.

For e.g. Shredder and Krang are the main villains, but Shredder has the same role as Eric Sacks in the actual first film, while Krang is like Shredder from it, the big bad who operates from behind the shadows while Shredder does the fighting and misleads the turtles into thinking he's the main threat.

Heck, I wouldn't have minded the guy who played Eric Sacks to do the Shredder himself. A Japanese Shredder wouldn't have been necessary, due to the lack of Hamato Yoshi, and would've given us a different take which would add to the different stories of the tmnt multiverse.

The backstory of Splinter, the Turtles and April would stay the same, except with Shredder and Eric Sacks being merged into one character who is subservient to Krang, who wishes to unleash the mutagen on the city in order to terraform it into a Dimension-X type landscape.

Character designs would be like Oots, and the turtles would have a bigger role like the second film. However, the story and the tone would be more like the 1st film.

Casey Jones would not be needed as Vernon was already there as a male sidekick to April, and I liked Will Arnett far more than Stephen Amell.

Karai would've also been unnecessary without a Japanese Shredder, so she could be replaced by Bebop/Rocksteady as Shredder's henchmen. It would've been pretty cool to see the turtles fight Bebop and Rocksteady in the subway and snow chase scenes instead of Karai.

Baxter Stockman would not be needed in this film either and he could be saved for the sequel where he is mainly tasked with rescuing Shredder.

So the major characters would've been:

1. Leonardo
2. Donatello
3. Michelangelo
4. Raphael
5. Splinter
6. April
7. Shredder
8. Krang
9. Bebop
10. Rocksteady
11. Vernon
12. April's Father

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It's really hard to say.

The thing is, I just don't see how you can do an OT styled movie using these turtles. You're trying to make your movie based on the most light-hearted iteration of them using possibly the most intimidating and repulsive looking ones. And if the tone, style, and everything else was the same, it'd still be compared to Bay's other films, most notably Transformers.

I say it's best not to dwell on it. What's done is done.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

It's really hard to say.

The thing is, I just don't see how you can do an OT styled movie using these turtles. You're trying to make your movie based on the most light-hearted iteration of them using possibly the most intimidating and repulsive looking ones. And if the tone, style, and everything else was the same, it'd still be compared to Bay's other films, most notably Transformers.

I say it's best not to dwell on it. What's done is done.

There was only ever one solution to this:



Or this...

[Walkabout]

Maybe they should have had the Turtles look like The Turtles, same goes for Splinter.

I can't look at those Shrek/Hulk abominations.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Imagine you're in 2014, and the first PD tmnt film is being released. It has the characters and plot of oots, but with changes such as:

1. Showing the turtles, splinters and shredders origin story with no Eric Sacks
2. No Vernon and Karai as these contribute nothing to the 2nd film.
3. The style and character designs of oots

How do you think this film would've done in comparison to the actual 2014 film, both in the box office and among fans/critics. How would it have affected the future of tmnt?

It would resemble this, somewhat:







Only with even worse costuming than that.

[snake]

POO IN LOO

I love that video.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I think Oots should've been released in August like its predecessor as opposed to June, maybe that would've made it more successful.

[Autbot_Benz]

nothing would have made OOTS successful people hated the Hack job that was the first one and knew ahead of time not to waste money on the sequel. You could cram every fan favorite in oots and it would still suck because Platnium Dunes are a shoddy production company and don't understand the Turtles.


I mean lets turn Casey from a bad ass street Vigilante into Whiny Cop Pussy Amell

[Shellington]

Cleaner designs for the Turtles would have helped out.

But beyond that, I can't see anything else that could have helped the first film.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Shellington

Cleaner designs for the Turtles would have helped out.

But beyond that, I can't see anything else that could have helped the first film.

Better writing perhaps?

[Shellington]

Originally Posted by Xav

Better writing perhaps?

Can we really say that OOTS had better writing than the first film?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I think Oots should've been released in August like its predecessor as opposed to June, maybe that would've made it more successful.

It was during the 2016 Olympic Summer Games in Brazil. No good time for film release.