Shredder's Dad?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 11-02-2018, 03:51 PM

While I liked both Shredder's Mom and My Brother, the Bad Guy for exploring Oroku Saki's family, I wonder what you think of his father. With no episode, everything is left up to the fans' imagination.

So what do you think or believe, in-Universe, of his father? Do you think he was high-ranked in the Foot, member of the Japanese organized crime movement (and maybe he was killed during a showdown), died in the Second World War (right before Oroku Saki was born, if he was born around 1945), or maybe a businessman? Or something else?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 11-02-2018, 04:06 PM

One thing is for sure, Miyoko Saki would've undoubtebly caused her husband to go crazy

Perhaps he was a good guy like Shredder's brother, who decided to leave his wife after she became evil (she did retire at the home for Supervillains after all).

*Wesley* · 11-02-2018, 04:32 PM

I dunno. I actually never wondered about Shredder’s father until reading this thread.

*neatoman* · 11-02-2018, 04:35 PM

The Fred Wolf cartoon's take on Shredder's family struck me as odd. What Maji was like (I'm just gonna go by the IDW name for his dad for the sake of simplicity) seems difficult to figure out. First off, there contradictions. Kazuo claims his brother brings shame to their family by being a criminal, yet their mother is explicitly a former criminal. And I don't think either had anything to do with the Foot clan. Then there's of course the matter of Shredder literally replacing the Foot Clan with robots...

So from that we can assume Maji was... A decent person who married a supervillain? And if he had anything to do with the Foot, raised a son who abandonned them in favor robots...

I think I just stumbled upon another subject. If Shredder replaced the Foot Clan in it's entirety with robots, does that mean he technically/unknowingly kicked himself out of the organisation? If he's the only real remaining member, then everyone else could just continue on without him. Shredder is, in practice, not the leader of the Foot Clan but an outcast. Do you think the real Foot just thinks of him as "that clown with the robots and alien husband"?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 11-02-2018, 04:54 PM

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I think I just stumbled upon another subject. If Shredder replaced the Foot Clan in it's entirety with robots, does that mean he technically/unknowingly kicked himself out of the organisation? If he's the only real remaining member, then everyone else could just continue on without him. Shredder is, in practice, not the leader of the Foot Clan but an outcast. Do you think the real Foot just thinks of him as "that clown with the robots and alien husband"?

What's even more odd is that during Splinter's flashbacks, we see the Foot Soldiers as humans, but in purple uniforms that the robots usually wear, cornering the Ice cream man in Japan. The only time before, they were in traditional Japanese attire in the dojo.

So at one point, Shredder did have human Foot Clan members on his side who were criminals. Either he, fired them and had them replaced by robots since they're not as much work to maintain, or they rebelled against him and he was forced to leave by himself to New York (and happened to get lucky by meeting Krang).

*pferreira* · 11-02-2018, 05:11 PM

I tend to think perhaps Shredder's father was forced into exile and thought dead, then in one episode he could be brought back. Whether he was good or bad I'm not sure.

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I think I just stumbled upon another subject. If Shredder replaced the Foot Clan in it's entirety with robots, does that mean he technically/unknowingly kicked himself out of the organisation? If he's the only real remaining member, then everyone else could just continue on without him. Shredder is, in practice, not the leader of the Foot Clan but an outcast. Do you think the real Foot just thinks of him as "that clown with the robots and alien husband"?

The only reason Shredder used robots was because the tech was available. He'd be silly not to take advantage of Krang's resources. If he didn't have Krang's help he'd still be using humans.

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Either he, fired them and had them replaced by robots since they're not as much work to maintain, or they rebelled against him and he was forced to leave by himself to New York (and happened to get lucky by meeting Krang).

Or maybe he gave them to Krang for experimentation. Why do you think Krang was so successful with Bebop and Rocksteady's gang? How do we know that was the first time? Now there's a morbid thought to take with you...

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 11-02-2018, 09:40 PM

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Or maybe he gave them to Krang for experimentation. Why do you think Krang was so successful with Bebop and Rocksteady's gang? How do we know that was the first time? Now there's a morbid thought to take with you...

Definetly an interesting outcome I didn't take into consideration.

Shredder mention something along the lines of "I followed hi to New York, where I developed my technology, including the rare experimental mutagen!" in episode 2, Enter the Shredder.

His Human foot soldiers could've been test subjects for the incomplete Mutagen, since Shredder didn't exactly know what it could do yet and its original purpose was as a poison to kill Hamato Yoshi.

cammy85 · 11-03-2018, 09:35 AM

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I tend to think perhaps Shredder's father was forced into exile and thought dead, then in one episode he could be brought back. Whether he was good or bad I'm not sure.

The only reason Shredder used robots was because the tech was available. He'd be silly not to take advantage of Krang's resources. If he didn't have Krang's help he'd still be using humans.

Or maybe he gave them to Krang for experimentation. Why do you think Krang was so successful with Bebop and Rocksteady's gang? How do we know that was the first time? Now there's a morbid thought to take with you...

Plus, robots can be mass produced unlike human gangsters. Sure, the two 90s movies show they had enough misguided youth in new York to keep the soldiers going, but that might be too much for kids at the time. Anyways, thanks to meeting Krang; Shredder thought he was on easy street until the Turtles finally got involved.

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Definitely an interesting outcome I didn't take into consideration.

Shredder mention something along the lines of "I followed hi to New York, where I developed my technology, including the rare experimental mutagen!" in episode 2, Enter the Shredder.

His Human foot soldiers could've been test subjects for the incomplete Mutagen, since Shredder didn't exactly know what it could do yet and its original purpose was as a poison to kill Hamato Yoshi.

Another good point!! We rarely saw younger sidekicks aside from the gang in the pilot, Bebop and Rocksteady's gang in two episodes, and coindentally or not, as Mr. X's servants in "Michaelangelo Meets Mondo Gecko".

*pferreira* · 11-03-2018, 03:37 PM

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His Human foot soldiers could've been test subjects for the incomplete Mutagen, since Shredder didn't exactly know what it could do yet and its original purpose was as a poison to kill Hamato Yoshi.

Exactly what I'm getting at.

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Anyways, thanks to meeting Krang; Shredder thought he was on easy street until the Turtles finally got involved.

It just goes to show even with all those advanced resources the TMNT still were able to beat Shredder.

cammy85 · 11-04-2018, 08:51 AM

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It just goes to show even with all those advanced resources the TMNT still were able to beat Shredder.

Having the tech isn't the same as knowing what to do with it.

Well, that and being fueled by revenge. Splinter is always right: his own evil will be his undoing.

*pferreira* · 11-04-2018, 09:42 AM

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Having the tech isn't the same as knowing what to do with it.

Well, that and being fueled by revenge. Splinter is always right: his own evil will be his undoing.

Yeah. I don't think Krang ever really figured out himself how to run the Technodrome. He was winging it most of the time.

*neatoman* · 11-04-2018, 01:07 PM

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Splinter is always right: his own evil will be his undoing.

More like stupidity.

*pferreira* · 11-04-2018, 04:22 PM

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More like stupidity.

That too.

cammy85 · 11-05-2018, 09:55 AM

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Yeah. I don't think Krang ever really figured out himself how to run the Technodrome. He was winging it most of the time.

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More like stupidity.

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That too.

Shredder's own stupidity reflected on Krang. Nah, I know what you mean. Kraang Prime wasn't wrong at all.

*pferreira* · 11-10-2018, 02:46 PM

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Shredder's own stupidity reflected on Krang. Nah, I know what you mean. Kraang Prime wasn't wrong at all.

I mean come on, did Krang really look like he knew what he was doing while in the Technodrome? He let someone else design the thing and then stole it. He probably didn't even read the instructions.

cammy85 · 11-11-2018, 08:49 AM

He was sure handy around computers, but that's it. The worst is when he kept the extremely powerful Shockwave as his last resort and the Rat King stole it. Haha!!

*pferreira* · 11-16-2018, 12:36 PM

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He was sure handy around computers, but that's it. The worst is when he kept the extremely powerful Shockwave as his last resort and the Rat King stole it. Haha!!

Honestly Krang was definitely winging it. He didn't realise half the time what weapons he had stored on board the Technodrome.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 11-16-2018, 03:43 PM

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Or maybe he gave them to Krang for experimentation. Why do you think Krang was so successful with Bebop and Rocksteady's gang? How do we know that was the first time? Now there's a morbid thought to take with you...

When Krang and Shredder first wanted to make mutants, they talked like the only Earthlings they knew had been exposed to the mutagen were Hamato Yoshi, and his turtles.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 11-16-2018, 07:08 PM

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We rarely saw younger sidekicks aside from the gang in the pilot, Bebop and Rocksteady's gang in two episodes, and coindentally or not, as Mr. X's servants in "Michaelangelo Meets Mondo Gecko".

The gang in the pilot WAS Rocksteady and Bebop's gang. We see both of them as humans in the scene where the gang chases April into the sewers, as well as both Lugnut and one of the others from The Gang's All Here. Lugnut isn't named, but it's clearly him. (He's the fat, bald one who later leads the gang in the TGAH ep.)

*pferreira* · 11-17-2018, 04:46 PM

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When Krang and Shredder first wanted to make mutants, they talked like the only Earthlings they knew had been exposed to the mutagen were Hamato Yoshi, and his turtles.

Okay then. But I doubt Shredder gave his soldiers new identities and travellers cheques to an exotic country when he left them.

Besides if Shredder's gang were failed experiments it not something they'd want to remind each other of:

Shredder: (sighs) This would be so much easier if you'd got it right the first time Krang.

Krang: Don't remind me. I said I'm sorry!

11-02-2018, 03:51 PM	#1
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Shredder's Dad? While I liked both Shredder's Mom and My Brother, the Bad Guy for exploring Oroku Saki's family, I wonder what you think of his father. With no episode, everything is left up to the fans' imagination. So what do you think or believe, in-Universe, of his father? Do you think he was high-ranked in the Foot, member of the Japanese organized crime movement (and maybe he was killed during a showdown), died in the Second World War (right before Oroku Saki was born, if he was born around 1945), or maybe a businessman? Or something else? Last edited by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan; 11-02-2018 at 04:21 PM.

11-02-2018, 04:32 PM	#3
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,589	I dunno. I actually never wondered about Shredder’s father until reading this thread. __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines)

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cammy85 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Minnedosa, MB Canada Posts: 703	He was sure handy around computers, but that's it. The worst is when he kept the extremely powerful Shockwave as his last resort and the Rat King stole it. Haha!!