09-29-2017, 04:01 AM | #1 |
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Has David Wise's unedited scripts ever been uncovered?
So whenever David Wise recounts his writing process for season one, it seems to me like he always makes it seem as if he wrote a script and they went with ideas that were his and his alone. Basically he's saying that the first season is pretty much his lone vision.
But according to Peter Laird, the ending at least would have been very different if he and Kevin had not taken a second look at the scripts. There's also evidence that David Wise wasn't nearly as influential as he claims, there were other factors involved such as demands from Playmates, the desired direction of Fred Wolf and adlibbing by the actors. Then finally there's the fact that Patti Howeth is credited as a co-writer, but Wise just discredits her and we've never heard any other side of this story, regardless of which it would just be srange to credit someone who didn't do anything. So has the original scripts ever been found? Is there a production bible? Any documentation? |
09-29-2017, 04:12 AM | #2 |
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Haven't really looked into it but I do recall hearing that Wise maybe wrote for the turtles to make the technodrome their lair after beating the villains, an idea which was rejected by Eastman and Laird.
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09-29-2017, 06:55 AM | #3 |
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it sounds like everyone is taking credit for original series success.
i remember kevin eastman taking credit for april's design as well. interesting idea on patti howeth. since the relationship didn't work out well, who knows if she wrote any of it? |
09-29-2017, 01:56 PM | #4 |
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I wish all failed scripts of anything TMNT-related in moving picutres were adapted into comics instead.
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On a side note according to David in that book Chuck Lorre was originally asked to write the show but was unavailable and but David forward instead. The show was poorly documented. You need to ask Fred Wolf or David Wise for that type of thing. I have a couple of Francis Moss scripts but those I don't think would be helpful for what you are researching. |
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Bebop & Rocksteady were conceptualized by Kevin & Pete, actually. At least in terms of species, their roles as henchmen, & some of the design elements. Spoiler:
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10-05-2017, 05:47 PM | #7 |
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Rocksteady and Bebop still retained their road-warrior Eastman/Laird style all the way into the official storyboards for "A Thing about Rats":
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I have a copy of this book and it's not very useful for research. I mean sure, I know there are things in it that are true because I know what the sources are, I know Laird and Eastman designed Bebop/Rocksteady because they've made the sketches public, but the book itself does not list it's sources very well. It just states who said what without pointing out where and when they said it, if I don't know that then I can't fully trust it.
It's probably not meant to used for serious research but it does mean I'd have to take with a grain of salt. This is why I'd like some evidence, to see if Wise's claims can be backed up properly, like his scripts. |
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And, yes FW TMNT (like all versions of TMNT) was a collaboration, and Wise for better or worse was one of the key collaborators. It is possible to give him his due credit for that without indulging him when he tries to make himself out to the the key collaborator. |
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Oh yeah. I do too.
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10-07-2017, 11:40 AM | #14 |
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So do we agree that, objectively:
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Pretty much.
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How was Krang supposed to take over Shredder's body? Kill him? (doubtt it)? Some kind of special mutagen?
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10-22-2017, 04:16 AM | #19 |
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Assuming it wasn't an asspull at the last minute, my best guess is that Shredder would have been transformed by the ooze into whatever Krang was before he lost his body, making Shredder a suitable replacement.
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