Official Episode Discussion S5 Ep 09: Kagayake! Kintaro

*Vicky82* · 08-06-2017, 01:42 AM

The 3rd and final part of the Usagi arc

Quote:

As they reach their destination, Usagi and the Turtles must help Kintaro fulfill his destiny.

It's now up on ITunes, so discuss away

Redworld96 · 08-06-2017, 01:56 AM

My favourite episode of third Arc by far. Loved the entire action.
Leo throws his Katana to Jei's Chest. Once more they dont censure those parts

But Jei dies falling from the bridge thanks to Usagi. And you can know he is really dead because animators did draw a skull of a dead wolf.

*Ninjinister* · 08-06-2017, 02:43 AM

Given all the talk of his immortality and his abilities in the books, I doubt he's really "dead" - even with the skull (I can't remember if they ever did that for Jei in the books). However, he might as well be, as he's obviously never showing up again.

*Powder* · 08-06-2017, 02:49 AM

Now THAT, was worthy of following the first part of this arc. Masterfully done, damn. Can't believe they had the Neko Clan, in white & meowing, no less!

*Ninjinister* · 08-06-2017, 02:55 AM

"When you understand others, their strength can become yours."

This is such a great line.

*Vicky82* · 08-06-2017, 03:01 AM

Great episode.

Loved the final fight and I like how everything went red so they could get away with things that should of been censored.

Jei ain't dead because he's immortal so he will just possess someone else body but I expect they have to be near him for him to do that.

I had a feeling that we don't see the turtles arrive home as we didn't see them leave.

As Usagi has the trinkets he can probably summon the Turtles again but as this is the last season, we won't see it. But fanfic writers probably can come up with an ideas.

Due to production order this is the final episode before the future arc so it's kind of sad that this is technically the last time we see the turtles as teenagers.

Redworld96 · 08-06-2017, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Due to production order this is the final episode before the future arc so it's kind of sad that this is technically the last time we see the turtles as teenagers.

Probably in the first episode of the last arc, right at the beginning and before the temporary jump, we could see a scene of them as teenagers

*Vicky82* · 08-06-2017, 03:21 AM

That moment when they were fighting those Ninja cats and one of them nearly cuts Mikey's arm off and we see him with out no arm (but he had it in his shell). I wonder if that's foreshadowing that Mikey isn't going to have no arm in the final.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Probably in the first episode of the last arc, right at the beginning and before the temporary jump, we could see a scene of them as teenagers

Yeah maybe

MarsicornYT · 08-06-2017, 03:26 AM

Such an awesome episode! My favourite out of all them this arc. If only they did something more in the second episode then this arc would be perfect.

And for the people who say theres no character development since season 2, watch this episode. Kintaro turned from an annoying brat into such an awesome dude. I just wish Leo and Usagi connected on a higher level.

*Vicky82* · 08-06-2017, 03:42 AM

I'm really surprised that they got away with Leo throwing his Katan into Jei's chest and you see it sticking out of his back and it was left like it for a couple of minutes while he was fighting Usagi.

I don't think the British Censors will like that. If they wouldn't show April putting the knife in Ho Chan chest in Chinatown Ghost Story I doubt they will show this. Find out on Friday when it's aired.

Redworld96 · 08-06-2017, 03:45 AM

Dude everyone has the season 5 in their respective countries, and in mine they have not even premiered it

*Vicky82* · 08-06-2017, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Dude everyone has the season 5 in their respective countries, and in mine they have not even premiered it

Maybe it's because they want to air it in production order.

*newfan* · 08-06-2017, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I'm really surprised that they got away with Leo throwing his Katan into Jei's chest and you see it sticking out of his back and it was left like it for a couple of minutes while he was fighting Usagi.

I don't think the British Censors will like that. If they wouldn't show April putting the knife in Ho Chan chest in Chinatown Ghost Story I doubt they will show this. Find out on Friday when it's aired.

It depends what they can get away with for the certificate too, it's usually PG but I noticed that the season 2 DVD set is a cert 12 (not sure of US rating).
Looking forward to catching up on the new eps this week.

*Vicky82* · 08-06-2017, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newfan

It depends what they can get away with for the certificate too, it's usually PG but I noticed that the season 2 DVD set is a cert 12 (not sure of US rating).
Looking forward to catching up on the new eps this week.

Yeah it's a 12 on 1 disc (the other 3 are PG), don't know which disc it is though.

12 and 12A for UK is PG13 for USA

Aaronardo · 08-06-2017, 07:52 AM

This was leagues better than the second part, and about on par with the first one.

I really like how Kintaro unlocked his power, and how Leo had a bit of a hand in doing so by trying to have a real conversation with him. While it was an interesting twist that Kintaro had to give up selfishness to become the powerful being he had the potential to be, my favorite twist was that Jei never even let go of his control of the Turtles to begin with. It caught me completely off guard, but it made a lot of sense.

The dialogue was nothing great, but it was damn better than last week's train-explosion in this department. The action was excellent. I'm pretty sure this ep had more storyboarders credited at the beginning than the average episode, and it shows. The lighting, the shots, the pans, it all felt very cinematic especially at the climax. Usagi vs. Jei was easily my favorite part of the entire episode due to these factors as well as the fluid animation.

I really appreciated that the Turtles actually did something in this arc. They could have easily written it as a Usagi arc feat. the Turtles, but they give Jei the upper hand and, as previously mentioned, Leo is very instrumental to Kintaro unlocking his true power. The humor was nice here, no Season 1 by any means, but Mikey's spit coming back and hitting Raph did get a good laugh out of me as did most of the other jokes.

Overall, I'm really glad this show still had enough steam in it by this point to produce this ep and Yojimbo. Hopefully this can translate to future episodes of similar quality. But for now, I've got two episodes to gleefully rewatch.

Ashwolf · 08-06-2017, 11:43 AM

love how wicked sweet this ep is!!! also dont think anyone else caught it yet but think its awesome how they got away w/ showing blood (or at least might be blood) during the red sky section, look closely at the spear tip

Spoiler:

Aside from that, like how over the course of this arc, jei kept his control on them suppressed until the right moment, pretty sure thats why their heads hurt so much - it was a side effect of jeis influence on what he wanted

just caught something else that i think is weird.... in this second image, it looks like a tiny portion of jeis spirit is in or covering leos sword... and with how usagis eyes appear to slightly be glowing, anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi?

Spoiler:

Redworld96 · 08-06-2017, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashwolf

anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi?

I would think that part of Jei's soul is now in Leo's katana (like a Horcrux)

*neatoman* · 08-06-2017, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashwolf

anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi?

Maybe...

matteso586 · 08-06-2017, 12:41 PM

Sumo Kuma being the high priest brainwashed by Jei. I did not see that coming.

I knew that Jei referring the Turtles as his puppets will come back to haunt us.

Red cloud appearing, perfect set up for a showdown.

To be honest, I kinda wish to see Sumo Kuma have a surprised reaction to seeing Usagi and the Turtles alive.

I almost thought that there would be an avalanche in the snow mountain segment.

I wonder what would happen if Gennedy Tartakovsky was involved as a guest writer for this arc.

*Vicky82* · 08-06-2017, 12:50 PM

I wonder if The red sky was a reference to the 80s turtles red sky seasons.

08-06-2017, 02:43 AM	#3
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,313	Given all the talk of his immortality and his abilities in the books, I doubt he's really "dead" - even with the skull (I can't remember if they ever did that for Jei in the books). However, he might as well be, as he's obviously never showing up again. __________________

08-06-2017, 02:49 AM	#4
Powder So tired of this place Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell Ri La Posts: 26,803	Now THAT, was worthy of following the first part of this arc. Masterfully done, damn. Can't believe they had the Neko Clan, in white & meowing, no less! __________________ I'm convinced that none of you have ever experienced joy

08-06-2017, 02:55 AM	#5
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,313	"When you understand others, their strength can become yours." This is such a great line. __________________

08-06-2017, 03:01 AM	#6
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,775	Great episode. Loved the final fight and I like how everything went red so they could get away with things that should of been censored. Jei ain't dead because he's immortal so he will just possess someone else body but I expect they have to be near him for him to do that. I had a feeling that we don't see the turtles arrive home as we didn't see them leave. As Usagi has the trinkets he can probably summon the Turtles again but as this is the last season, we won't see it. But fanfic writers probably can come up with an ideas. Due to production order this is the final episode before the future arc so it's kind of sad that this is technically the last time we see the turtles as teenagers. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

08-06-2017, 03:42 AM	#10
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,775	I'm really surprised that they got away with Leo throwing his Katan into Jei's chest and you see it sticking out of his back and it was left like it for a couple of minutes while he was fighting Usagi. I don't think the British Censors will like that. If they wouldn't show April putting the knife in Ho Chan chest in Chinatown Ghost Story I doubt they will show this. Find out on Friday when it's aired. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

08-06-2017, 01:56 AM	#2
Redworld96 Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 639	My favourite episode of third Arc by far. Loved the entire action. Leo throws his Katana to Jei's Chest. Once more they dont censure those parts But Jei dies falling from the bridge thanks to Usagi. And you can know he is really dead because animators did draw a skull of a dead wolf.

08-06-2017, 03:26 AM	#9
MarsicornYT Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Australia Posts: 176	Such an awesome episode! My favourite out of all them this arc. If only they did something more in the second episode then this arc would be perfect. And for the people who say theres no character development since season 2, watch this episode. Kintaro turned from an annoying brat into such an awesome dude. I just wish Leo and Usagi connected on a higher level.

08-06-2017, 03:45 AM	#11
Redworld96 Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 639	Dude everyone has the season 5 in their respective countries, and in mine they have not even premiered it

08-06-2017, 07:52 AM	#15
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,042	This was leagues better than the second part, and about on par with the first one. I really like how Kintaro unlocked his power, and how Leo had a bit of a hand in doing so by trying to have a real conversation with him. While it was an interesting twist that Kintaro had to give up selfishness to become the powerful being he had the potential to be, my favorite twist was that Jei never even let go of his control of the Turtles to begin with. It caught me completely off guard, but it made a lot of sense. The dialogue was nothing great, but it was damn better than last week's train-explosion in this department. The action was excellent. I'm pretty sure this ep had more storyboarders credited at the beginning than the average episode, and it shows. The lighting, the shots, the pans, it all felt very cinematic especially at the climax. Usagi vs. Jei was easily my favorite part of the entire episode due to these factors as well as the fluid animation. I really appreciated that the Turtles actually did something in this arc. They could have easily written it as a Usagi arc feat. the Turtles, but they give Jei the upper hand and, as previously mentioned, Leo is very instrumental to Kintaro unlocking his true power. The humor was nice here, no Season 1 by any means, but Mikey's spit coming back and hitting Raph did get a good laugh out of me as did most of the other jokes. Overall, I'm really glad this show still had enough steam in it by this point to produce this ep and Yojimbo. Hopefully this can translate to future episodes of similar quality. But for now, I've got two episodes to gleefully rewatch. __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

08-06-2017, 11:43 AM	#16
Ashwolf Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 540	love how wicked sweet this ep is!!! also dont think anyone else caught it yet but think its awesome how they got away w/ showing blood (or at least might be blood) during the red sky section, look closely at the spear tip Spoiler: Aside from that, like how over the course of this arc, jei kept his control on them suppressed until the right moment, pretty sure thats why their heads hurt so much - it was a side effect of jeis influence on what he wanted just caught something else that i think is weird.... in this second image, it looks like a tiny portion of jeis spirit is in or covering leos sword... and with how usagis eyes appear to slightly be glowing, anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi? Spoiler: __________________ Last edited by Ashwolf; 08-06-2017 at 12:09 PM.

08-06-2017, 12:41 PM	#19
matteso586 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 712	Sumo Kuma being the high priest brainwashed by Jei. I did not see that coming. I knew that Jei referring the Turtles as his puppets will come back to haunt us. Red cloud appearing, perfect set up for a showdown. To be honest, I kinda wish to see Sumo Kuma have a surprised reaction to seeing Usagi and the Turtles alive. I almost thought that there would be an avalanche in the snow mountain segment. I wonder what would happen if Gennedy Tartakovsky was involved as a guest writer for this arc.

08-06-2017, 12:50 PM	#20
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,775	I wonder if The red sky was a reference to the 80s turtles red sky seasons. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.