10-09-2017, 06:02 PM | #1 | ||
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Purposefully Exposing People to HIV Is No Longer A Felony In California
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Which brings into question these incidents, if they took place in California after Jan. 1, 2018: 'I'm turning myself in, my life is over': HIV-positive man 'infected hundreds' after setting out to pass on virus to as many as possible" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-possible.html "Man who knowingly spread HIV sentenced to six months. Judge calls it a ‘travesty.’" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.367c51b51b65 "Man with HIV tried to infect partners he met on Grindr, court told" https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e_iOSApp_Other |
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10-09-2017, 06:20 PM | #2 | |
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What? Why? Why even spend time and money on that.
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I don't care what modern medicine is doing, it isn't cured. If it was easily treatable with a quick Dr's visit, fine, but until then... no. Another person's health is more important than not disclosing to avoid risking rejection. |
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10-09-2017, 07:00 PM | #3 |
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That's majorly F'd up.
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10-09-2017, 07:56 PM | #4 |
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Holy spitballs. Y'all seeing this like I do?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Did the world just start spinning backwards? Thats just as insane as.... well, nevermind. |
10-09-2017, 08:05 PM | #5 |
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I was surprised at reaction of some of the so called "keyboard-progressives" about this: apparently it's OK bill, because, there are other diseases, which are bad.
I am not really sure, what have surprised me more: this bill or such reaction of some people. But apparently, some "keyboard-progressives" will do anything to look more progressive (the most progressive?) in the eyes of their peers, by not infringing on freedom of others, even, if consequences might be deadly. Because, if you are restrict people in something - you are of course, dirty conservative, horrible xenophobe and generally atrocious human being. |
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I'd be curious to know if this was done to match pre-existing legislation for other diseases. In which case, it's probably easier to ease up on the penalty for this one, rather than make the penalty for the others more strict.
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10-09-2017, 08:45 PM | #7 |
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Problem is, walking around with HIV and not disclosing to sexual partners or blood donation is just a step down from walking around with vials of anthrax or ebola(for exampke) and randomly infecting people with them. So decrimnalizing the act of KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY passing it to others is just idiotic because it could count as an act of terrorism.
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Wow.
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10-10-2017, 01:48 AM | #11 |
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Oh boy. So they want to decriminalize intentional infection just to spare the feelings of a tiny minority? 'Gee, this asshole intentionally infected you with HIV and lied to you about his status, and you will have to go on a lifetime of anti-viral medication to keep it from progressing to AIDS, horrible infections, cancers and dying, But as long as we can spare the feelings of a few micro-minorities, what is it to us? Their feelings matter more then your life or health.' - 'Progressive' California
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10-10-2017, 04:23 AM | #12 |
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Ending the stigma of HIV would be beneficial and do more good. Medicine have come a long way and being HIV positive is not a death sentence, its treatable and we're not living in the 90's. I also find it absurd that HIV is the only chronic incurable STI that is/was a felony and not the other incurable ones as well.
That said, intentionally infecting another person with HIV through sexual intercourse without that person's consent is rape. |
10-10-2017, 08:50 AM | #13 |
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It might as well be the same thing as putting anthrax on something you know people will touch in hopes they get it. That was my point. Or any dangerous disease, really.
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It's more than possible that I was scrutinizing your comparison a bit too closely. Anthrax is Airborne, and Ebola is far more communicable than HIV.
I gleaned the language of the bill last night, and it almost sounds as if HIV was the only communicable disease to have legislation like this. And it almost reads to me like the original language of the bill that this new one is repealing doesn't actually require that the person being exposed contract the disease. This new language, again I'm not a lawyer and my legalese is night on non-existent, appears to me too now in compass all communicable diseases. So if someone has syphilis and purposely doesn't tell their partner and that partner contracts syphilis from them, now that partner has legal recourse. Whereas before I think it was only HIV, and then it was only exposure and not actually Contracting the disease at all. Which I can only imagine is impossible to prove. Singling out one disease seems to me to be like singling out one specific breed of dog.
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No it's Rape all right.
If you lie to obtain consent, then consent was never freely given at all.
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10-10-2017, 02:19 PM | #18 |
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It is when one part is lying, same deal as stealthing is rape.
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10-10-2017, 03:52 PM | #19 | |
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Nowadays, things have changed of course, but it still not completely curable, like many other deceases. |
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