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Old 05-31-2017, 05:52 PM   #1
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24 reasons the 1990 TMNT and Batman Returns are the same movie



Just found this and thought I put it here, since I'm sure all this can be debated.
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Old 05-31-2017, 06:09 PM   #2
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Of all of the Batman movies I really don't like Batman Returns. It forces a dark edginess down you throats that is not natural like it is in the Nolan trilogy while the TMNT(1990) film has a natural edginess to it while still having same fun elements. Love both TMNT and Batman. Love TMNT(1990) and dislike Batman Returns. I just cannot agree with this video.
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Old 05-31-2017, 07:18 PM   #3
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Batman Returns was critically acclaimed.
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Old 05-31-2017, 08:04 PM   #4
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Maybe but it's still a weird movie. Never noticed it as a kid but watching it as an adult it's just messed up man. The circus gang, batman smiling while blowing people up, penguin drooling black goo, catwoman's "death" scene (pick one) and just Christopher walken period.
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Old 06-01-2017, 08:36 AM   #5
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Of all of the Batman movies I really don't like Batman Returns. It forces a dark edginess down you throats that is not natural like it is in the Nolan trilogy while the TMNT(1990) film has a natural edginess to it while still having same fun elements. Love both TMNT and Batman. Love TMNT(1990) and dislike Batman Returns. I just cannot agree with this video.
Yeah I agree there. I really dislike Batman Returns. The first film got it perfect but the sequel with total control Burton went to far. Everything in the film feels forced.

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Batman Returns was critically acclaimed.
Not every critic liked it but it did ok. The Box Office wasn't great though due to the complaints people had with the movie and the studio did the right thing by lightening the tone somewhat with Batman Forever.
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Old 06-01-2017, 09:16 AM   #6
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I'm sure there is a parallel universe or alternate dimension that exists where these two movies are the same, but not this one. Talk about a stretch. "Hehehe, hey guys, TMNT has the song Tequila in it and so does Pee Wee's Big Adventure." That means TMNT is just like Batman Returns?

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Old 06-01-2017, 10:18 AM   #7
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Batman Returns was critically acclaimed.
Critically acclaimed doesn't mean you have to like the movie.

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Of all of the Batman movies I really don't like Batman Returns. It forces a dark edginess down you throats that is not natural like it is in the Nolan trilogy while the TMNT(1990) film has a natural edginess to it while still having same fun elements. Love both TMNT and Batman. Love TMNT(1990) and dislike Batman Returns. I just cannot agree with this video.
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Yeah I agree there. I really dislike Batman Returns. The first film got it perfect but the sequel with total control Burton went to far. Everything in the film feels forced.

Not every critic liked it but it did ok. The Box Office wasn't great though due to the complaints people had with the movie and the studio did the right thing by lightening the tone somewhat with Batman Forever.
Would you guys say that there's a limit to how dark a Batman story could be? Also what are your personal preferences towards tones in terms of Batman?
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:01 PM   #8
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Would you guys say that there's a limit to how dark a Batman story could be? Also what are your personal preferences towards tones in terms of Batman?
The 1989 Batman and Batman Forever is how they should do the movies. The Chris Nolan movies and Zack Snyder movie go far into one direction, the 1997 movie went in the complete opposite direction. Batman Returns was too up itself. In terms of the story, style and character the movies I mentioned before is the way to go. Like everything that's just my opinion and I'm sure many are going to criticise me for not immediately accepting the Chris Nolan movies as Bible.
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:28 PM   #9
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Haven't seen Batman Returns in its entirety in awhile, but I really like it.
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:39 PM   #10
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Yeah I agree there. I really dislike Batman Returns. The first film got it perfect but the sequel with total control Burton went to far. Everything in the film feels forced.

Not every critic liked it but it did ok. The Box Office wasn't great though due to the complaints people had with the movie and the studio did the right thing by lightening the tone somewhat with Batman Forever.
Than I guess Batman and Robin was the best Batman movie ever right?
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:50 PM   #11
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I don't mind Returns that much other than Batman/Bruce himself didn't really have a character arc in it. He's exactly the same person at the end as he was at the beginning. It's sort of like, Batman 89 was Burton's audition to be able to really make the kind of Batman movie he wanted to, and it ended up being Returns.
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Old 06-12-2017, 07:54 PM   #12
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I don't mind Returns that much other than Batman/Bruce himself didn't really have a character arc in it. He's exactly the same person at the end as he was at the beginning. It's sort of like, Batman 89 was Burton's audition to be able to really make the kind of Batman movie he wanted to, and it ended up being Returns.
I think Batman works well as a static character. Batman Returns is definitely a story about the villains, and I think that same attitude carried over into a lot of episodes of Batman: The Animated Series. Still... I couldn't believe Batman ripped his mask off at the end, in front of Catwoman and Max and who knows who else.
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I'd argue that the Animated Series version of Batman had a little more layers to him than every other version of the character.
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I think Batman works well as a static character. Batman Returns is definitely a story about the villains, and I think that same attitude carried over into a lot of episodes of Batman: The Animated Series. Still... I couldn't believe Batman ripped his mask off at the end, in front of Catwoman and Max and who knows who else.
That was him revealing himself to Selina Kyle, trying to "save" her I guess. That was the only real change for Batman. Plus Shrek woulda died anyway, and considering all of the dirt Batman had on him if he had survived then he's going to jail.
I did really enjoy Returns and is my fave of the BurtonVerse (yeah its weird and everyone is changed from their origins but I really enjoyed it.)
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Than I guess Batman and Robin was the best Batman movie ever right?
Next to Batman Returns it was probably the worst.
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