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Old 06-16-2017, 10:37 AM   #121
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This franchise honestly peaked with DOFP.
Oh, hardly. That movie is so tiny and forgettable, with zero focus.

First Class is the first and only time everything clicked, had a synergy and an appropriate payoff. It's also got the best music score in the whole series.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:56 AM   #122
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Oh, hardly. That movie is so tiny and forgettable, with zero focus.

First Class is the first and only time everything clicked, had a synergy and an appropriate payoff. It's also got the best music score in the whole series.
I don't think it's fair to call the movie tiny or forgettable... it DID have both generations of X-Men in it, which is a pretty big deal.

It's just that the movie should have been 100% Matthew Vaughn, sticking to the new timeline and not allowing Fox to bring back Singer and all of his Singer-isms; they sacrificed a better story and the new direction for publicity and spectacle. I still don't understand why they felt a need to go back to Singer...

And the First Class soundtrack is amazing, absolutely amazing.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:59 AM   #123
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First Class is the first and only time everything clicked, had a synergy and an appropriate payoff. It's also got the best music score in the whole series.
Didn't care for Darwin's lame (and for some, offensive) death, a version of Beast that looks like Little Critter, a wasted opportunity for the use of Emma Frost, J-Law's lack of charisma, Azazel, or the Charles/Eric wankfest that seems to be a major complaint in regards to many of the other films. Also, awful-looking costumes and side characters that seemed to get in the way more than anything.

I'm also a bit more of a comic purist and thought most of the main characters were too obscure to lead into a new franchise--most of them are dead in DOFP. It all seemed so random and thrown together in ways that were reminiscent of the first Wolverine movie from 2009.

The movie has a decent emotional core that makes it slightly feel like some of the better incarnations of the characters, but it still has the stench of something that was dumbed down by studio people who are too cool for comics. First Class is a competently made film IMHO, but not a good X-Men adaptation.

To each his own, I guess.
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:01 AM   #124
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I don't think it's fair to call the movie tiny or forgettable... it DID have both generations of X-Men in it, which is a pretty big deal.
And it did what with them, exactly? Nothing. Glorified cameos to create an imaginary sense of scope.
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And it did what with them, exactly? Nothing. Glorified cameos to create an imaginary sense of scope.
But the majority of the audience perceives that sense of scope, even though it all amounted to a bunch of old guys getting stabbed to death by Sentinels.

I think it was a big movie. Just the WRONG movie.

But we both agree DOFP was a huge step back and a mistake, so we're cool.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:57 PM   #126
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It's also got the best music score in the whole series.
I bet we would have gotten an excellent score for DoFP if Singer hadn't asked composer John Ottman to basically emulate Nolan-esque Hans Zimmer. It's still enjoyable music but those forced BWAAAMS get sort of silly after a while. Almost all the X-scores have their merits though.
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:34 PM   #127
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X1>Logan>X2>FC=DOFP>Deadpool>X3>Those f*cking Wolverine movies>Apocolypse

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Old 06-16-2017, 08:29 PM   #128
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Sad!

The first 2 Singer movies are horrendously overrated. And it's heresy to say FC and DOFP are even in the same ballpark.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:03 PM   #129
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Sad!

The first 2 Singer movies are horrendously overrated. And it's heresy to say FC and DOFP are even in the same ballpark.
Agreed! On both points. There were not even any character arcs for anyone in DofP except Xavier's lightweight one. For Mystique it was actually a character arc backwards. The rest are just there to be there.
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I like the first two well enough. They're simple movies.
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First Class > Logan > X1 > X2 > Days of Future Past > Deadpool > The Wolverine > Apocalypse > X3 > Wolverine: Origins.
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I respect X1, in its simplicity and what it did for the genre. X2 is the unfunny Seinfeld of the bunch... nothing happens. Jean's sacrifice was moderately touching if sudden, but that's about it. Magneto villaining had been done in the last one. None of the setups like the mansion invasion or the White House incursion accomplish much beyond tiny, mostly pointless spectacle. The best "action" we see is between Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike, a character who literally receives no character, backstory, or reason to dislike or even care about her beyond the visual... and 15 years later Singer is still doing that with characters like Psylocke. Looks cool in trailers, though.

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First look at the danger room:



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Old 06-29-2017, 06:21 PM   #134
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Evan Peters has been confirmed to return as Quicksilver. Lamar Johnson, of The Next Step, has also joined the film in an unknown role.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...silver-1018062
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Old 06-29-2017, 06:29 PM   #135
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Did Marvel kill Quicksilver because he became such a big character in the X-men movies?
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Is Quicksilver going to be a 40-year-old man still living in his mother's basement? Or will they have the common sense to put him in the X-Mansion or something?
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Evan Peters has been confirmed to return as Quicksilver. Lamar Johnson, of The Next Step, has also joined the film in an unknown role.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...silver-1018062
Nice, he was one of the best things about X-Men: Apocalypse.
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Is Quicksilver going to be a 40-year-old man still living in his mother's basement? Or will they have the common sense to put him in the X-Mansion or something?
At the end of Apocalypse, he decided to stay at the X-Mansion and was seen training with some of the X-Men in the Danger Room.
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3 minute scene divorced from the rest of the movie where Quicksilver does some crazy but cool-looking save and then does f*** all for the rest of the movie... check.
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At the end of Apocalypse, he decided to stay at the X-Mansion and was seen training with some of the X-Men in the Danger Room.
Oh yeah. That scene really confused me. So Charles gets a message from a dystopian future telling him to stop the sentinels at all costs, and instead of destroying them, he puts them in his basement and pretty much just trains them to hunt mutants for practice? Really clever Charles.
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