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Old 01-17-2017, 10:20 PM   #21
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With Viacom running the show, if they make any more movies, they'll just be more kid-oriented garbage.
It's not kid-oriented that is the problem. It's that they need to get the Transformers formula out of their heads. They tried it with GI: Joe. That didn't work. Now they tried it with TMNT. It's the wrong formula. In fact, trying to whittle down successful movies to a formula is what gets us into this mess, but Hollywood has done that practically since the beginning, so what can you do?
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Old 01-18-2017, 01:28 AM   #22
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Also they'll continue to use CG for the Turtles instead of costumes. Its amazing how good the costumes for the Turtles/Splinter still look in both this movie and the second movie.

Considering these movies are from 1990 and 1991, literally 25+ years ago, the technology is so impressive.
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Old 01-18-2017, 06:17 AM   #23
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It's not kid-oriented that is the problem. It's that they need to get the Transformers formula out of their heads. They tried it with GI: Joe. That didn't work. Now they tried it with TMNT. It's the wrong formula. In fact, trying to whittle down successful movies to a formula is what gets us into this mess, but Hollywood has done that practically since the beginning, so what can you do?
A new Transformers film has been recorded, and will be released to cinemas in June 2017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transf...he_Last_Knight

so sadly, we'll still have to wait some years before these films become something out of the past.
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Old 01-18-2017, 10:24 AM   #24
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Also they'll continue to use CG for the Turtles instead of costumes. Its amazing how good the costumes for the Turtles/Splinter still look in both this movie and the second movie.

Considering these movies are from 1990 and 1991, literally 25+ years ago, the technology is so impressive.
Literally all they have to do is use costumes and CGI the mouths, eyes. And cast, like, 4'10" martial arts stuntmen.

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Old 01-18-2017, 10:29 AM   #25
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CGI should be used as a seasoning rather than the whole meal especially when live action is involved.
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Old 01-18-2017, 10:31 AM   #26
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I would VERY MUCH get behind a TMNT movie that utilizes cgi the way this did:

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Old 01-18-2017, 11:49 AM   #27
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I would VERY MUCH get behind a TMNT movie that utilizes cgi the way this did:

I can't believe that's already 8 years old.
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And look how good the SFX still look.
When it comes to CGI, less is more.
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And look how good the SFX still look.
True. And while I get that muscled skin suits are a little different than fur suits, I can't believe it's not way more cost effective to do in 2017 than it was in 1990. They don't even need to worry about animatronics beyond maybe, maybe some basic brow movement. Even with that, they could just Dot up the faces of the practical Turtle heads, then CGI map it to actors' face movements later.
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Hollywood is just lazy. They have little desire to actually build physical objects.
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I would like it to be, but I don't think it will. Like Powder said, it's not possible to top Henson/Mirage.

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That's not strictly true. You'd be surprised how many Hollywood movies use practical effects, miniatures, etc as well as CGI. A lot of them still turn out to be terrible movies though, but the effort is still there
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:36 AM   #32
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Do you think there will ever be a new tmnt film that will be on the level of the original or even above it?
The original was great but like everything there's always room for improvement. I would like to see someone try and top an already terrific movie.
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it's not possible to top Henson/Mirage.
Wait, what does Henson have to do with Mirage?

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The original was great but like everything there's always room for improvement. I would like to see someone try and top an already terrific movie.
A lot of room for improvement.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:14 AM   #34
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That's not strictly true. You'd be surprised how many Hollywood movies use practical effects, miniatures, etc as well as CGI. A lot of them still turn out to be terrible movies though, but the effort is still there
Sure they build sets to some degree but let's face it, a lot of movies have crap loads of CGI.
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Wait, what does Henson have to do with Mirage?
Ask Powder. I don't think they meant they were the same. The 1990 movie took details from Mirage and had Henson effects is what they were saying I believe.

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Sure they build sets to some degree but let's face it, a lot of movies have crap loads of CGI.
A lot do, but a lot also build things practically. Some use CGI for everything while others don't use CGI at all.
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So I'm not wrong. Hollywood is still lazy. Moreso now than ever.
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by that regards, haven't Hollywood always been lazy. All that matte painting then actually making the scenery.
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So I'm not wrong. Hollywood is still lazy. Moreso now than ever.
We're both right.

Here's some examples of movies made in the last 20 years or so that used practical effects.

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by that regards, haven't Hollywood always been lazy. All that matte painting then actually making the scenery.
That's certainly one way to look at it. Creating matte paintings is still more work than using a CG background though, I'd imagine.
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Iím not sure why people think CGI is lazy. You donít just feed your footage into a computer, push the big red button, and go play golf for the rest of the day.

As for topping TMNT 1990Ö it wonít happen in this climate. As some people have already said, it would take some passion for both TMNT and filmmaking. I donít think Steve Barron was necessarily the biggest Turtles fan in the world, but he was definitely tuned into the style, and he knew what he wanted to make and how to do it.

Nowadays, movies arenít made by directors; theyíre made by studio executives. For the most part, directors donít have a lot of power under the current system, and thatís deliberate. Have you ever wondered why they keep hiring indi directors with one or two films under their belt, and let them direct 200 million dollar tent-pole movies? Because they donít have any power, or influence, and theyíll do as theyíre told or get their asses handed to them.

I donít think you can make a better movie than TMNT 1990 without a clear vision, and someone who is allowed to make decisions based on what is best for the film, rather than the concerns of toymakers, network execs, and angry nerds.
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Iím not sure why people think CGI is lazy. You donít just feed your footage into a computer, push the big red button, and go play golf for the rest of the day.
For me, CGI has its place. It can be a very useful tool and can look amazing when done well. If something absolutely cannot be achieved practically or within the movie's budget, then use CGI. If it can be done practically and within the budget, then do it practically.
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