OT Talkback: My brother, the bad guy

*CyberCubed* · 11-03-2011, 12:22 PM

In Season 5's official opener, we Shredder/Krang once again try to pull the Technodrome from Dimension X to Earth, and they succeed except they land in the Arctic due to Donatello.

This episode notably introduces Shredder's brother, who works for the Tokyo police. Once again the writers make a mistake with Shredder's name, assuming "Oroku" is his first name and that "Saki" is his last name. So his brother is named "Kazuwa Saki," and is called "Lt. Saki" which is technically a mistake. His brother also calls Shredder, "Oroku" which is amusing because its his last name. Leonardo also says a line, "Saki? But that's Shredder's last name!"

Shredder also creates the Kojima brothers holograms to fight the Turtles, which is a decent albeit short fight scene.

I really liked this episode and was a good true beginning to Season 5. Loved how Shredder had no concern for his brother, and was going to bring the Technodrome right to Earth on top of the building where his brother and the Turtles were in, killing them all.

It just amuses me that like in "Shredder's Mom," the writers again made the mistake with Oroku Saki's name, not knowing that the Japanese last name is first.

*Icebot* · 11-03-2011, 12:50 PM

At least they got it right in "The Legend Of Koji". I like how Shredder told Oroku Sancho "I'm an Oroku too. I'm on your side".

Thinking about Shredder's mother, wasn't she evil just like Shredder? If she's proud of Shredder for being evil, I wonder how she feels about his brother being a good guy.

*CyberCubed* · 11-03-2011, 01:05 PM

I think Shredder has a line in this episode where he references his mother. He says something like, "Oh, mother is letting you wear the big pants now," or something along those lines.

Funny how his mother and brother have Japanese accents when they talk, yet Shredder doesn't.

~~ABrown~~ · 11-03-2011, 02:26 PM

This was a really good episode. And ironically it's right around this episode that I originally concluded my love of the original TMNT cartoon. I was about ten years old, and began to grow out of watching cartoons. My new passion was for a wonderful little thing called Super Nintendo. And not long after was when my passion for sports began as well. So I get a little sad when I watch this episode on dvd, cause I pretty much view it as the end of my childhood. Fortunately, about five years later I realized that my childhood never really ended (and never will) and I got back into cartoons.

lethrhd · 11-03-2011, 05:22 PM

i love the epiosdes that concluded with a new location for the technodrome. Theres a pretty tight continuity in that respect

*CyberCubed* · 11-03-2011, 09:31 PM

I just love eps which have to do with Shredder's history, whether it be with Japan and the Foot or his family members.

I honestly wonder if the writer for this ep knew Shredder had a brother in the comics, which is where the idea came from.

cammy85 · 01-03-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lethrhd

i love the epiosdes that concluded with a new location for the technodrome. Theres a pretty tight continuity in that respect

The SatAM premiers had a good habit of that. I hated Season 7 for awhile because Shredder's first two episodes didn't show the Technodrome at all. Now I think the episodes are great.

Hermano Dyvas · 12-31-2011, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This episode notably introduces Shredder's brother, who works for the Tokyo police. Once again the writers make a mistake with Shredder's name, assuming "Oroku" is his first name and that "Saki" is his last name. So his brother is named "Kazuwa Saki," and is called "Lt. Saki" which is technically a mistake.

Here's how in my head I explain this mistake. It's in no way valid and only springs from my own imagination.

Shredder's brother wanted to distance himself from his mad family so he had his name changed. He just chose the name of his brother Saki as his last name as a reminder of where he came from.

*MikeandRaph87* · 12-31-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

Here's how in my head I explain this mistake. It's in no way valid and only springs from my own imagination.

Shredder's brother wanted to distance himself from his mad family so he had his name changed. He just chose the name of his brother Saki as his last name as a reminder of where he came from.

That works perfectly! I wish I thought of that myself,Hermano! I sometimes wish continuity gliches were explained as its the only way to get my head around it.

I perfer this guy over an older brother that had unrequitted love for Tang Shen.

*Sage Ninja* · 01-01-2012, 06:05 PM

I find it interesting, and not a little bit amazing, that Shredder was so willing to kill his younger brother. We all know that Shredder is a bad guy but since he is played for laughs so much it was kind of cool to see him casually evil as to harm his own flesh and blood. I mean, it was done so nonchantly but it still made me excited.

I would have liked a longer battle between Shredder and his brother though.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-01-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

I find it interesting, and not a little bit amazing, that Shredder was so willing to kill his younger brother. We all know that Shredder is a bad guy but since he is played for laughs so much it was kind of cool to see him casually evil as to harm his own flesh and blood. I mean, it was done so nonchantly but it still made me excited.

I would have liked a longer battle between Shredder and his brother though.

I often say that James Avery's Shredder is underrated. He makes me laugh at times but its the fact that he is surrounded by incompetences and faces very formible advesaries in the TMNT and Splinter not to mention it was really hard to push the envelope back then like say TMNT(2003) and Justice League did six to seven years after the series ended. He did try to kill others many times but never did because its cartoon that mainly kids at the time were watching.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-18-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeandraph87

That works perfectly! I wish I thought of that myself,Hermano! I sometimes wish continuity gliches were explained as its the only way to get my head around it.

I perfer this guy over an older brother that had unrequitted love for Tang Shen.

Imagine this storyline in the 1987 cartoon.
Rape was not for kids cartoons, so Hamato Yoshi and Tang Shen left Japan for the USA, had to live in the sewers where Shredder drops the mutagen on them and the Turtles. Tang Shen becomes a female rat mutant, and the TMNT would have like a mother too.

11-03-2011, 12:22 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	OT Talkback: My brother, the bad guy In Season 5's official opener, we Shredder/Krang once again try to pull the Technodrome from Dimension X to Earth, and they succeed except they land in the Arctic due to Donatello. This episode notably introduces Shredder's brother, who works for the Tokyo police. Once again the writers make a mistake with Shredder's name, assuming "Oroku" is his first name and that "Saki" is his last name. So his brother is named "Kazuwa Saki," and is called "Lt. Saki" which is technically a mistake. His brother also calls Shredder, "Oroku" which is amusing because its his last name. Leonardo also says a line, "Saki? But that's Shredder's last name!" Shredder also creates the Kojima brothers holograms to fight the Turtles, which is a decent albeit short fight scene. I really liked this episode and was a good true beginning to Season 5. Loved how Shredder had no concern for his brother, and was going to bring the Technodrome right to Earth on top of the building where his brother and the Turtles were in, killing them all. It just amuses me that like in "Shredder's Mom," the writers again made the mistake with Oroku Saki's name, not knowing that the Japanese last name is first.

11-03-2011, 05:22 PM	#5
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01-01-2012, 06:05 PM	#10
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,899	I find it interesting, and not a little bit amazing, that Shredder was so willing to kill his younger brother. We all know that Shredder is a bad guy but since he is played for laughs so much it was kind of cool to see him casually evil as to harm his own flesh and blood. I mean, it was done so nonchantly but it still made me excited. I would have liked a longer battle between Shredder and his brother though. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight...for HIM? ~Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

11-03-2011, 12:50 PM	#2
Icebot Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 3,191	At least they got it right in "The Legend Of Koji". I like how Shredder told Oroku Sancho "I'm an Oroku too. I'm on your side". Thinking about Shredder's mother, wasn't she evil just like Shredder? If she's proud of Shredder for being evil, I wonder how she feels about his brother being a good guy.

11-03-2011, 01:05 PM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	I think Shredder has a line in this episode where he references his mother. He says something like, "Oh, mother is letting you wear the big pants now," or something along those lines. Funny how his mother and brother have Japanese accents when they talk, yet Shredder doesn't.

11-03-2011, 02:26 PM	#4
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	This was a really good episode. And ironically it's right around this episode that I originally concluded my love of the original TMNT cartoon. I was about ten years old, and began to grow out of watching cartoons. My new passion was for a wonderful little thing called Super Nintendo. And not long after was when my passion for sports began as well. So I get a little sad when I watch this episode on dvd, cause I pretty much view it as the end of my childhood. Fortunately, about five years later I realized that my childhood never really ended (and never will) and I got back into cartoons.

11-03-2011, 09:31 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	I just love eps which have to do with Shredder's history, whether it be with Japan and the Foot or his family members. I honestly wonder if the writer for this ep knew Shredder had a brother in the comics, which is where the idea came from.