Pattinson/Reeves Batman Movie (Formerly Affleck Stand-Alone Film) - Page 66

*Andrew NDB* · 02-19-2020, 01:10 AM

I think the 2nd and 3rd suits (eh, was that really a third suit in TDKR?) were all about the neck movement. They wanted the mask to behave more like a motorcycle helmet and less like this thing that inhibits all movement around the neck area. The Affleck costume seemed to go back to more of a slightly more movement allowing Keaton deal around the neck and just said "f**k it, look over practicality."

*Leo656* · 02-19-2020, 01:24 AM

Ben actually had a lot of neck movement capability, I'm just not sure he was scripted to turn his head that much, or chose not to. I don't know if it was as flexible as Bale's but definitely a lot more than Keaton's or Kilmer's or Clooney's, for sure.

It looks like it's all one piece like the Keaton suit's cowl but there's actually small "hidden" hairline seams strategically-placed around the neck and back of the skull. Even the suit itself gives the appearance of a "solid" piece but it's actually a ton of individual pieces spliced together - much like Bale's suits - to provide more flexibility and range of motion than any of the previous suits, but with the seams hidden through a combination of strategic placement and little bit of digital erasure in post.

A pretty ingenious piece of work, all things considered. I think they did lose a little bit of flexibility with the cowl, but not a lot, and altogether they did a great job of producing something with the greatest possible range of motion without being all cluttered up with seams and plates. It's still clearly armor (although more of a woven mesh-type than plate-type) but doesn't look more like armor than it does a super-hero costume. Form AND function to the Nth degree. I'm so into it. Ears could'a been longer but that's nitpicky. I don't know how anything could top it.

Maybe one day someone will go and put a full Neal Adams-style costume on film and shut my mouth.

I don't see it, though. But that's pretty much the only thing I ever see as a potential "improvement".

*Krutch* · 02-19-2020, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It was such a great, no-brainer idea. "Batman makes a voice changer doo-hicky for the suit." Done. Had it never been done before?

Smallville did it with Green Arrow

*Leo656* · 02-19-2020, 01:36 AM

Kinda funny how you never see that guy and Oliver Queen in the same place at the same time. I'm sure there are tons of guys still rocking the ol' Errol Flynn goatee and this is all just a massive coincidence.

*PApagreg* · 02-19-2020, 10:19 AM

All of this talk of Batman and his Rogues Gallery make me wish DC/Warner had the balls to do a Plasitic Man movie.

*IMJ* · 02-19-2020, 10:37 AM

Michael Keaton's Batman voice had a resolved, quiet anger that illustrated an intense guy who would break you and leave you there broken.

Christian Bales' Batman voice had a grungy quality that illustrated a guy bubbling up with possibly uncontrollable rage.

Kevin Conroy's Batman voice spans a range of emotional intelligence that illustrated a guy who could think on his feet and take people down as needed.

Ben Affleck's Batman voice had a supernatural quality that made him seem larger than life illustrating that hell is coming for you when he speaks.

Adam West's Batman voice had a friendly and dramatic quality that illustrated that your best buddy was Batman.

*myconius* · 02-19-2020, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by IMJ

Michael Keaton's Batman voice had a resolved, quiet anger that illustrated an intense guy who would break you and leave you there broken.

Christian Bales' Batman voice had a grungy quality that illustrated a guy bubbling up with possibly uncontrollable rage.

Kevin Conroy's Batman voice spans a range of emotional intelligence that illustrated a guy who could think on his feet and take people down as needed.

Ben Affleck's Batman voice had a supernatural quality that made him seem larger than life illustrating that hell is coming for you when he speaks.

Adam West's Batman voice had a friendly and dramatic quality that illustrated that your best buddy was Batman.

that was beautiful!

~~AquaParade~~ · 02-19-2020, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

More on why Affleck "walked away from The Batman":

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/m...n-affleck.html

Except the article writer doesn't seem to draw a distinction between "The Batman" that Affleck wrote the script for and was set to direct and "The Batman" that Reeves wrote and is directing. Affleck walked away from his own version of the film (and he's told us why before, because directing and starring in a film that size would be too much for him... this interview seems to reinforce that), he didn't walk away from the Reeves version, which he was just set to act. That was yanked from under him.

Thanks for sharing.

I still strongly believe Ben was out before the Reeves version became a real thing. This article just confirms it further. The dude just had to play nice and promote JL.

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Originally Posted by IMJ

Michael Keaton's Batman voice had a resolved, quiet anger that illustrated an intense guy who would break you and leave you there broken.

Christian Bales' Batman voice had a grungy quality that illustrated a guy bubbling up with possibly uncontrollable rage.

Kevin Conroy's Batman voice spans a range of emotional intelligence that illustrated a guy who could think on his feet and take people down as needed.

Ben Affleck's Batman voice had a supernatural quality that made him seem larger than life illustrating that hell is coming for you when he speaks.

Adam West's Batman voice had a friendly and dramatic quality that illustrated that your best buddy was Batman.

Nice.

*Andrew NDB* · 02-19-2020, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

I still strongly believe Ben was out before the Reeves version became a real thing. This article just confirms it further. The dude just had to play nice and promote JL.

But even after JL came out and failed we have Reeves sitting there in interviews saying Affleck is still "his guy" for Batman.

*myconius* · 02-19-2020, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But even after JL came out and failed we have Reeves sitting there in interviews saying Affleck is still "his guy" for Batman.

i find it really detestable that he knowingly lied about this.

*Andrew NDB* · 02-19-2020, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by myconius

i find it really detestable that he knowingly lied about this.

I really don't think he was lying. It's hard to believe we could jump directly from "Ben Affleck writing/directing 'The Batman' starring Ben Affleck, giving us our first DCEU Batman film" straight to "Matt Reeves is being allowed to throw the DCEU Batman, Affleck too, and just do whatever he wants." There had to have been a whole lot of uncertainties and flux in the middle there. And if Affleck was out at every stage of Reeves' pre-production, I see 0 reason for Reeves or anyone else to lie about it. It would seem to me the earlier the bandaid could be ripped off, the better, so people could get used to the idea of the part being up for grabs again.

~~AquaParade~~ · 02-19-2020, 12:25 PM

Not to be rude, but I don't see why that is hard to believe. It makes total sense to lie about these types of subjects when you are working within a machine this big.

The motives are there: When it comes to WB, they couldn't take any more bad press and they had no idea who was going to be Batman.
If you're WB, you don't want to come out with your hands in the air to say "sorry guys, we know you just warmed up to Ben as Batman but he's out. No idea who will replace him, but we'll let you know when we get our **** together. Oh, and he's still going to be in Justice League, so please be excited for that."
That's not a message that is going to help the box office of JL or their P.R.

As for Matt Reeves, he obviously has to play along. And that's without even going into the plethora of reasons Matt Reeves would likely have for not
wanting to have Ben Affleck as a star in his upcoming Batman movie:

- The biggest film of his career being linked to the sinking ship that was the DCEU.

- The creative limitations that would come with having a previously established, aged Batman.

- The personal problems & bad press Ben would invite

It makes all too much sense, from my perspective.

*myconius* · 02-19-2020, 12:32 PM

Affleck sounded like he wanted out even before Justice League was released.

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

As for Matt Reeves, he obviously has to play along. And that's without even going into the plethora of reasons Matt Reeves would likely have for not
wanting to have Ben Affleck as a star in his upcoming Batman movie:

- The biggest film of his career being linked to the sinking ship that was the DCEU.

- The creative limitations that would come with having a previously established, aged Batman.

- The personal problems & bad press Ben would invite

It makes all too much sense, from my perspective.

yeah. this makes much more sense than Reeves just intentionally lying.
it was more than likely just a PR spin to avoid the bad publicity.

*Andrew NDB* · 02-19-2020, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by myconius

Affleck sounded like he wanted out even before Justice League was released.

Definitely he would be really bummed that with the whole movie in the can he was called back -- now out of shape -- to reshoot 90% of the movie and basically do it all over.

*Andrew NDB* · 02-21-2020, 11:47 AM

Looks like... platemail in there?

*IMJ* · 02-21-2020, 12:15 PM

Man I'm sure the movie will be entertaining enough, but I'm so tired "Hollywood Solutions To the Bat Costume" nonsense.

Just go the Sandy Collora route and put a big dude in a fabric costume and put him on the streets as a vigilante. This overtly tactical stuff is old - might as well change Bruce Wayne's origin to "ex Navy Seal, Bruce Wayne dons a creature of the night suit based on his military experiences... bla bla".

I mean... I GET IT, right? I get the modern 'tactical approach". But I don't care. They need to take some cues from Batman TAS and the original comics at this point.

~~AquaParade~~ · 02-21-2020, 12:21 PM

Wow, that is...pretty bizarre. Very interested to see how it looks on-screen. Not yet sold on that helmet/cowl here and if I didn't know better, I'd judge it harshly now, before getting a chance to see it in post-production.

Still loving the collar.

*Andrew NDB* · 02-21-2020, 12:28 PM

I don't know what I think yet. It kind of looks like what Batman would look like if he was in the Kick-Ass universe?

This could potentially be doubling down on the Nolan "down to earth" stuff, but we'll see. At least the Nolan movies had the Batpod. That's just a motorcycle I could go and buy.

*MikeandRaph87* · 02-21-2020, 12:34 PM

If Clooney's Bat suit was mixed with The Dark Knight trilogy then this suit would be it.
https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Batsu...tman_%26_Robin)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32993892844.html

~~AquaParade~~ · 02-21-2020, 01:02 PM

That looks like an alternate to the helmet in the screen test though. It has to be, because of the eyes, so I'm thinking this is sort of a B:TAS style 'Bat-Helmet".

EDIT: Oh yeah, and no cape, obviously.

02-19-2020, 01:10 AM	#1301
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,276	I think the 2nd and 3rd suits (eh, was that really a third suit in TDKR?) were all about the neck movement. They wanted the mask to behave more like a motorcycle helmet and less like this thing that inhibits all movement around the neck area. The Affleck costume seemed to go back to more of a slightly more movement allowing Keaton deal around the neck and just said "f**k it, look over practicality." __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

02-19-2020, 01:24 AM	#1302
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Ben actually had a lot of neck movement capability, I'm just not sure he was scripted to turn his head that much, or chose not to. I don't know if it was as flexible as Bale's but definitely a lot more than Keaton's or Kilmer's or Clooney's, for sure. It looks like it's all one piece like the Keaton suit's cowl but there's actually small "hidden" hairline seams strategically-placed around the neck and back of the skull. Even the suit itself gives the appearance of a "solid" piece but it's actually a ton of individual pieces spliced together - much like Bale's suits - to provide more flexibility and range of motion than any of the previous suits, but with the seams hidden through a combination of strategic placement and little bit of digital erasure in post. A pretty ingenious piece of work, all things considered. I think they did lose a little bit of flexibility with the cowl, but not a lot, and altogether they did a great job of producing something with the greatest possible range of motion without being all cluttered up with seams and plates. It's still clearly armor (although more of a woven mesh-type than plate-type) but doesn't look more like armor than it does a super-hero costume. Form AND function to the Nth degree. I'm so into it. Ears could'a been longer but that's nitpicky. I don't know how anything could top it. Maybe one day someone will go and put a full Neal Adams-style costume on film and shut my mouth. I don't see it, though. But that's pretty much the only thing I ever see as a potential "improvement". __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

02-19-2020, 01:36 AM	#1304
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Kinda funny how you never see that guy and Oliver Queen in the same place at the same time. I'm sure there are tons of guys still rocking the ol' Errol Flynn goatee and this is all just a massive coincidence. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

02-19-2020, 10:19 AM	#1305
PApagreg Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,828	All of this talk of Batman and his Rogues Gallery make me wish DC/Warner had the balls to do a Plasitic Man movie. __________________

02-19-2020, 10:37 AM	#1306
IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 6,991	Michael Keaton's Batman voice had a resolved, quiet anger that illustrated an intense guy who would break you and leave you there broken. Christian Bales' Batman voice had a grungy quality that illustrated a guy bubbling up with possibly uncontrollable rage. Kevin Conroy's Batman voice spans a range of emotional intelligence that illustrated a guy who could think on his feet and take people down as needed. Ben Affleck's Batman voice had a supernatural quality that made him seem larger than life illustrating that hell is coming for you when he speaks. Adam West's Batman voice had a friendly and dramatic quality that illustrated that your best buddy was Batman. __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography

02-19-2020, 12:25 PM	#1312
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Not to be rude, but I don't see why that is hard to believe. It makes total sense to lie about these types of subjects when you are working within a machine this big. The motives are there: When it comes to WB, they couldn't take any more bad press and they had no idea who was going to be Batman. If you're WB, you don't want to come out with your hands in the air to say "sorry guys, we know you just warmed up to Ben as Batman but he's out. No idea who will replace him, but we'll let you know when we get our **** together. Oh, and he's still going to be in Justice League, so please be excited for that." That's not a message that is going to help the box office of JL or their P.R. As for Matt Reeves, he obviously has to play along. And that's without even going into the plethora of reasons Matt Reeves would likely have for not wanting to have Ben Affleck as a star in his upcoming Batman movie: - The biggest film of his career being linked to the sinking ship that was the DCEU. - The creative limitations that would come with having a previously established, aged Batman. - The personal problems & bad press Ben would invite It makes all too much sense, from my perspective.

02-21-2020, 11:47 AM	#1315
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,276	Looks like... platemail in there? __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

02-21-2020, 12:15 PM	#1316
IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 6,991	Man I'm sure the movie will be entertaining enough, but I'm so tired "Hollywood Solutions To the Bat Costume" nonsense. Just go the Sandy Collora route and put a big dude in a fabric costume and put him on the streets as a vigilante. This overtly tactical stuff is old - might as well change Bruce Wayne's origin to "ex Navy Seal, Bruce Wayne dons a creature of the night suit based on his military experiences... bla bla". I mean... I GET IT, right? I get the modern 'tactical approach". But I don't care. They need to take some cues from Batman TAS and the original comics at this point. __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography

02-21-2020, 12:21 PM	#1317
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Wow, that is...pretty bizarre. Very interested to see how it looks on-screen. Not yet sold on that helmet/cowl here and if I didn't know better, I'd judge it harshly now, before getting a chance to see it in post-production. Still loving the collar.

02-21-2020, 12:28 PM	#1318
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,276	I don't know what I think yet. It kind of looks like what Batman would look like if he was in the Kick-Ass universe? This could potentially be doubling down on the Nolan "down to earth" stuff, but we'll see. At least the Nolan movies had the Batpod. That's just a motorcycle I could go and buy. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

02-21-2020, 12:34 PM	#1319
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,134	If Clooney's Bat suit was mixed with The Dark Knight trilogy then this suit would be it. https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Batsu...tman_%26_Robin) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32993892844.html __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

02-21-2020, 01:02 PM	#1320
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	That looks like an alternate to the helmet in the screen test though. It has to be, because of the eyes, so I'm thinking this is sort of a B:TAS style 'Bat-Helmet". EDIT: Oh yeah, and no cape, obviously.