02-20-2018, 01:27 PM | #81 | |
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The fandom is what is is. there will always be people you think of as crazies. there will always be people you don't like. there will always be people you love. there will always be people looking to alter history. there will always be people looking to throw the first stone to prove they are better then the person they dislike..... there will always be people who sell out. trying to control that is an exercise in futility. just ignore what you don't like rather than obsessing over it and move on with your life.
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Basically self moderation, and calling out people when it looks like they're going to far.
As a group we don't all get along, or see eye to eye, but as individuals we all have at least one or two folks who we trust enough to know our intentions and who can talk us down from a proverbial ledge before a situation explodes. I think of Dan Savage when he says: Don't tell me that you're not all like that, tell them. We should pass off fandom crap as being made by casuals, or "the crazies," because to people from outside of fandom...we're all one group. And so we shouldn't focus on telling people from outside fandom that we're not all like that, we should tell the people making the waves that we're not all like that. If that makes any sense.
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02-20-2018, 01:33 PM | #83 |
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I tried that for years, on Facebook, & to a certain extent, here.
It does not work. Those who are not receptive to new versions of a kids series are certainly not receptive to new lines of thought from their peers. & mods (not here) in places such as FB groups, as an example, are usually just as bad, so it's useless. I gave up.
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We can't all defend all hills all the time. I just think if we all made a small effort, it wouldn't seem like a Sisyphean task, and even in trying we might make the public face of our fandom a little less...berzerker rage.
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02-20-2018, 01:38 PM | #85 |
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I don't think there are enough of us who care enough to make a difference, unfortunately. Generally, being a voice of reason among that crowd leads to gang-piling or hitting a wall of ignorance, so even for those who do want to step things up in the community, it's discouraging.
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02-20-2018, 02:14 PM | #86 |
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I'd rather spend a day with Chris-Chan.
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02-20-2018, 03:12 PM | #87 |
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Do people really use facebook for TMNT stuff?
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Thousands and thousands of people.
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02-20-2018, 03:20 PM | #89 |
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I thought facebook was mostly used by middle-age people now. All the young kids and fandoms are on twitter and tumblr.
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02-20-2018, 03:30 PM | #90 | |
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https://unwrapping.tumblr.com/post/9...raphics-tumblr Kids account for very little of Tumblr's usage.
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02-20-2018, 03:55 PM | #91 | |
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More vicious than here? What are they, rabid animals?
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02-20-2018, 07:45 PM | #92 |
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Thousands of people use social media like Facebook for franchises that they like but they're not the same type of fandom that say the Internet 1.0 pre-social media had. Many of these are "casuals", more hardcore than the average joe but none of those would've ever joined a TMNT forum back in the day.
Kids don't really use facebook anymore, they like youtube, instagaram, snapchat. Facebook is indeed becoming more and more for old people even if i still has a large number of young blood there because it's so big it's been in decline for years now. The geeky people in fandoms mostly use Discord, I don't like it since it's meant to be more like IRC/Skype together but it's not permanent like say a forum so conversations die. |
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I hope that there won't be too many Fred Wolf (OT) references/ homages.
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02-20-2018, 10:56 PM | #95 | |
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Well, to address the eternal elephant in our room, what is "the franchise"? That is, what incarnation of the franchise do you deem the bit worthy of respecting? Mirage? Fred Wolf? The older live-action movies? The newer live-action movies? The most recent show? The IDW series?
That series of questions isn't trivial, but the unfortunate reality here is that there isn't a "right" answer in the sense that all of the fandom would agree. Certain approaches some people would call respectful, others would call disrespectful...or at the very least, annoying. Filling the series with pizza references or puns off of the word "shell" is arguably "respectful" in that it is keeping in mind things that have been done before in the franchise, but still there will be people who dislike those things. In a limited sense, the most broadly consensual definition of being respectful, in that it's the most opportune way to please (or at least interest) as many people as possible (not to mention, sell as many toys as possible) is probably to draw a bunch of characters from multiple different incarnations. If they decide to clarify that is what they're doing, I can believe that. However, calling back to old stories by other people that many audiences liked doesn't mean you're capable of writing new stories that many audiences like. As someone, I forget whom, aptly described the IDW series (at least in my opinion), "Hey; remember that?" is not clever writing. You can make people more initially interested in your new adaptation by calling back to such things, but that also sets you up to disappoint them if your writing is boring, annoying, etc. You can reach high heights by standing on the shoulders of giants, but you can also slip and fall, far and hard. Factor in that it's been heavily implied that this show is under a mandate to be more juvenile than the last one, and I'd say that even if the writers are endeavoring to be "respectful" as I semi-defined it above, that doesn't mean they're going to reach the quality of your favorite past incarnation; let-alone surpass it.
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Just the other day I overheard some millennials bragging to each other about who is and who is not on their friend list in terms of 'hot guys'. My workplace is an odd mix of previous and current gen of people.
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Dropping (or adding) superficial things, such as the pizza, or shell references, or giving them new enemies, or new adventures, or new hobbies/interests (or struggles) that suit them individually and make sense, new designs, and so on... Don't care. Drop it, add it, do it, whatever. The execution of it, such as these newest designs, might not be a favorite and may still have an opinion on it, but it's negligible and not really a part of the respect factor. Respecting it to me is not screwing with the deepest parts of it; not screwing with who they are as individuals which is largely influenced by a collective melding of the franchise over the 30+ years. Respect isn't, "Hey, look, they're gonna have lots of pizza! Do silly things! And have lots of toy opportunities!" It's not turning Leo into an asshat, or Splinter into...whatever the hell is going on there. Not erasing Hamato Yoshi as the last movies did. And so on. But that is only my perspective and only speak for myself. Last edited by IndigoErth; 02-21-2018 at 10:25 AM. |
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02-21-2018, 11:34 AM | #100 |
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I'm wondering why some fans are trying to force other fans to be quiet.
This is one dude's interpretation of the Turtles, and the consensus is that it's terrible. Just check out the comments here We just did this with Bay, and I think, the fans are being vocal because it's being forced through, diluting the brand further. Add corners to a circle and it stops being a circle. Same same, but different. |
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