Star Wars Episode 8 - Page 60

*Vegita-San* · 01-04-2018, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm looking around on Facebook and in the comments of news articles and I'm seeing more and more a disturbing narrative developing.

OP: "This movie really sucked."

Replier: "You're an old fogey! Let me guess, you wanted an Empire Strikes Back remake, didn't you???"

* cue a bunch of other people chiming in, agreeing *

OP: "No, not at all. I just didn't feel like the story went anywhere and nothing was explained from the last movie and it doesn't leave me interested at all in seeing what happens next."

Replier: "It's because you love the EU books, I bet! Or want it to be like the OLD Star Wars! This is the NEW Star Wars!!!"

And so forth and so on. I don't know if this is just a growing defense mechanism of the "new fans," studio PLANTS or what, but it's a little discouraging to see. I actually liked the movie but I can see why large portions of it don't hold water.

It's also a growing representation of people who can't stand any comment they deem 'negative'.

over on another board, an episode 8 thread was going along just fine, but got closed because the mods didn't like the direction it was going in. I.e. Mostly 'negative' comments.

smh. people really are a bunch of snowflakes these days. if this is the new star wars, which is basically just badly copying the old better star wars, they can have it.

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Originally Posted by newfan

It seems people can't be allowed to dislike, or like something that others feel opposite about.
Was it you who posted that a similar thing is happening with the new Star Trek series? I can't remember. Also, this new and old, sure, new movies and direction but they had been using the old characters and finishing their stories.

Yep. dare to say 'it's crap' and watch out. the 'be nice' police will come at you real hard.

*newfan* · 01-04-2018, 11:28 AM

Well I suppose as Plastron pointed out, in some cases it is how people go about giving their views also (generally speaking I mean)

*Vegita-San* · 01-04-2018, 12:05 PM

Even on other message boards, people tend to tire of anything they deem 'negative' super quickly these days.

but they don't realize their own 'positive' rantings can fall into the same category. so long as someone is posting that the movie is good, seems they are on the high ground and can trash anything they want...

smh.

*CyberCubed* · 01-04-2018, 01:23 PM

And yet you're doing exactly what you complain about.

*Spike Spiegel* · 01-04-2018, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

so long as someone is posting that the movie is good, seems they are on the high ground and can trash anything they want...

*Vegita-San* · 01-04-2018, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

https://static.tumblr.com/e46e0f15b2...ame_640_v2.jpg

does a few feet really count as the high ground? dumb ass just didn't jump high enough

*CyberCubed* · 01-04-2018, 05:44 PM

I kind of wonder now what Episode 7 would have been like if Rian Johnson was in charge of the new trilogy from the start. Unlike J.J. Abrams who "played it safe," it feels like Rian Johnson actually has a great vision for the franchise to completely move away from the original trilogy and into new territory.

All the biggest blunders of the new movies that we're now stuck with, like the Empire being so strong, Snoke, Luke leaving/abandoning the rebels, the third Death Star, Kylo Ren wearing a Darth Vader mask, etc...was all because of him.

Seems like Rian Johnson on the other hand tried to get us away from this.

*Vegita-San* · 01-04-2018, 07:17 PM

so i've been re reading some of the books.

The new movies are like the Zahn versus Anderson trilogies.

Zahn masterfully weaves a new tale, advancing things and characters significantly. while maybe once every 5 chapters referencing something from the old movies to show it's in the same universe.

Anderson, however, comes off as fan fiction. Stilted dialogue. Sometimes repeating dialogue. unfinished thoughts. And references to the movies literally every 2-4 pages. the new ideas he has don't get a chance to breath because a few pages later, han is donning a storm trooper disguise and making ANH reference.

that's what the new movies come off as.
Zahn is 4-6. Kevin J. Anderson is 7-9.

*Mayhem* · 01-05-2018, 02:19 AM

Had the pleasure of meeting Timothy Zahn a couple of years back, and he was extremely nice to chat with, along with writing arguably some of the best EU books.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhem...7662893021593/

And I do agree to a degree with that, they were extremely faithful to the themes and spirit of the original trilogy, no mean feat!

*Vegita-San* · 01-05-2018, 11:32 AM

oops.

*plastroncafe* · 01-05-2018, 11:59 AM

But remember, this year we shouldn't be focusing on so much negativity...

*CyberCubed* · 01-05-2018, 12:05 PM

Mark Hammill is fine with the movie. He's not "warning fans." That's a badly edited youtube clip to make it look like Luke is crapping over the movie he was promoting for months.

I love the conspiracy theories Vegita-san is trying to come up with to find out everyone involved with this movie has some vendetta against it.

*Spike Spiegel* · 01-05-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayhem

Had the pleasure of meeting Timothy Zahn a couple of years back, and he was extremely nice to chat with, along with writing arguably some of the best EU books.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhem...7662893021593/

And I do agree to a degree with that, they were extremely faithful to the themes and spirit of the original trilogy, no mean feat!

His personal notes and annotations in the 20th anniversary edition of Heir to the Empire really illustrate how much effort he put into extrapolating the future of the post-Original Trilogy SW universe.

*sdp* · 01-05-2018, 12:36 PM

I pass tunnel bridge like twice a week that is fully decked out on Star Wars images and the theme playing, this is probably the coolest thing to come out of The Last Jedi for me. I've passed through it quite a few times already but I still get that nostalgic feeling.

I think I'm all star wars outt for the moment, I've already mentioned all my thoughts about it and I'll need some time before I continue ranting or getting excited about another movie, so unless I see Solo or the trailer is really bad/good, I think I'll take a break from SWs until marketing for IX begins.

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Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

Which is odd, because this movie already felt too much like a remake of Empire

I agree, but it seems to be the narrative as to why there's a backlash.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Mark Hammill is fine with the movie. He's not "warning fans." That's a badly edited youtube clip
.

Most videos with out of context quotes are usually trash. I won't even bother with this one but I did read and saw a few interviews with Hamill and he did seem displeased with the direction of the movie. He also says it's a fine movie but just not what he thought it should've been which is what many agree.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I kind of wonder now what Episode 7 would have been like if Rian Johnson was in charge of the new trilogy from the start. Unlike J.J. Abrams who "played it safe," it feels like Rian Johnson actually has a great vision for the franchise to completely move away from the original trilogy and into new territory.

All the biggest blunders of the new movies that we're now stuck with, like the Empire being so strong, Snoke, Luke leaving/abandoning the rebels, the third Death Star, Kylo Ren wearing a Darth Vader mask, etc...was all because of him.

Seems like Rian Johnson on the other hand tried to get us away from this.

It's hard to know, Rian did cement the Empire vs Rebels at the end of 8 after teasing at a new direction, we also don't know if it was the big mouse that said "we want empire vs rebels". But I agree that the major flaw of the movie is having the original status quo. Starting with a "mamma" joke was likely not the best idea but hardly a deal breaker. But yeah I could wonder forever what an Ep.VII with anyone besides JJ would've been, my fav. is a VII without Disney but no time to waste on hypotheticals, let's deal with the aftermath of reality.

*Refractive Reflections* · 01-06-2018, 03:32 AM

I saw it over the holidays, and it was... entertaining. Then again, I haven't been a huge fan of Star Wars franchise, except for reviewing and analyzing the storywriting as to understand its popularity/allure.

...Now let's focus on the real concern, that Jar Jar Binks should return as the ultimate Sith lord (intriguing part at 38:12-41:18 ):

*Shark_Blade* · 01-09-2018, 11:38 PM

Star Wars: Oscar Isaac Says It's Hard Watching "His Man" Finn Kiss Someone Else

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/0...-romance-rose/

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Look, it was a little difficult to see my man kiss somebody else, but, you know, you gotta give up control… you got to watch some stuff you don't want to watch some times," Isaac added.

The actor is adding fuel to the flames for those who shipped Finn and Poe together after their friendship began in Star Wars: The Force Awakens. But now that Rose is in the picture, it looks like that romance — and the potential Finn and Rey ship — could be in jeopardy.

My ship FinnPoe/StormPilot is sailing strong despite the annoying wrench in the gears aka Rose Tico.

*Vegita-San* · 01-10-2018, 07:14 PM

supposedly some smaller cinemas are removing last jedi for jumanji.

*CyberCubed* · 01-10-2018, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

supposedly some smaller cinemas are removing last jedi for jumanji.

Do you never get bored? It's worldwide gross is currently $1,222,851,360 according to IDMB.

It's made Disney millions back its budget.

*Vegita-San* · 01-12-2018, 12:28 PM

another disappointment for star wars.

good.

https://screenrant.com/china-drops-l...di-screenings/

*Spike Spiegel* · 01-12-2018, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

another disappointment for star wars.

good.

https://screenrant.com/china-drops-l...di-screenings/

From when TFA was released:

‘Star Wars’ China Poster Sparks Controversy After Shrinking John Boyega’s Character

Supposedly, mainland Chinese attitudes about people of African descent are less than favorable, and this film has a prominent romance between a black guy and a Chinese girl.

China has an irrational fear of a “black invasion” bringing drugs, crime, and interracial marriage

A Chinese exhibit comparing Africans to animals shows the problematic racial attitudes in China

I would imagine that at least had something to do with it.

01-04-2018, 11:28 AM	#1182
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	Well I suppose as Plastron pointed out, in some cases it is how people go about giving their views also (generally speaking I mean) Last edited by newfan; 01-04-2018 at 11:34 AM.

01-05-2018, 02:19 AM	#1189
Mayhem Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, England Posts: 2,992	Had the pleasure of meeting Timothy Zahn a couple of years back, and he was extremely nice to chat with, along with writing arguably some of the best EU books. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhem...7662893021593/ And I do agree to a degree with that, they were extremely faithful to the themes and spirit of the original trilogy, no mean feat! __________________ Lie with passion and be forever damned...

01-06-2018, 03:32 AM	#1195
Refractive Reflections Mad Scientist $Refractive Reflections's Avatar$ Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,371	I saw it over the holidays, and it was... entertaining. Then again, I haven't been a huge fan of Star Wars franchise, except for reviewing and analyzing the storywriting as to understand its popularity/allure. ...Now let's focus on the real concern, that Jar Jar Binks should return as the ultimate Sith lord (intriguing part at 38:12-41:18 ):
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01-04-2018, 12:05 PM	#1183
Vegita-San Emperor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,915	Even on other message boards, people tend to tire of anything they deem 'negative' super quickly these days. but they don't realize their own 'positive' rantings can fall into the same category. so long as someone is posting that the movie is good, seems they are on the high ground and can trash anything they want... smh.

01-04-2018, 01:23 PM	#1184
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	And yet you're doing exactly what you complain about.

01-04-2018, 05:44 PM	#1187
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	I kind of wonder now what Episode 7 would have been like if Rian Johnson was in charge of the new trilogy from the start. Unlike J.J. Abrams who "played it safe," it feels like Rian Johnson actually has a great vision for the franchise to completely move away from the original trilogy and into new territory. All the biggest blunders of the new movies that we're now stuck with, like the Empire being so strong, Snoke, Luke leaving/abandoning the rebels, the third Death Star, Kylo Ren wearing a Darth Vader mask, etc...was all because of him. Seems like Rian Johnson on the other hand tried to get us away from this.

01-04-2018, 07:17 PM	#1188
Vegita-San Emperor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,915	so i've been re reading some of the books. The new movies are like the Zahn versus Anderson trilogies. Zahn masterfully weaves a new tale, advancing things and characters significantly. while maybe once every 5 chapters referencing something from the old movies to show it's in the same universe. Anderson, however, comes off as fan fiction. Stilted dialogue. Sometimes repeating dialogue. unfinished thoughts. And references to the movies literally every 2-4 pages. the new ideas he has don't get a chance to breath because a few pages later, han is donning a storm trooper disguise and making ANH reference. that's what the new movies come off as. Zahn is 4-6. Kevin J. Anderson is 7-9.

01-05-2018, 11:32 AM	#1190
Vegita-San Emperor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,915	oops.

01-05-2018, 12:05 PM	#1192
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	Mark Hammill is fine with the movie. He's not "warning fans." That's a badly edited youtube clip to make it look like Luke is crapping over the movie he was promoting for months. I love the conspiracy theories Vegita-san is trying to come up with to find out everyone involved with this movie has some vendetta against it.

01-10-2018, 07:14 PM	#1197
Vegita-San Emperor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,915	supposedly some smaller cinemas are removing last jedi for jumanji.

01-12-2018, 12:28 PM	#1199
Vegita-San Emperor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,915	another disappointment for star wars. good. https://screenrant.com/china-drops-l...di-screenings/