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Old 07-06-2018, 12:03 PM   #161
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See, it starts to feel like, "We just wanted to create a situation in which to give you New Characters. We don't really know what got us from Point A to Point B in the larger scheme of things, and that story isn't very interesting anyway. But Look! Shiny new characters!" People can say whatever they like about the quality of the Prequels, but there was a clear sense of how that trilogy fit with the original, and how the events of one directly affected the other.

Then everything gets reset, they more or less start saying "Nothing at all really mattered until Episode VII, plus the Skywalker family 'Destiny' storyline is now Rey's," and they don't expect people to ask too many questions about it. Well, they are, because they want people to "Just Accept" a lot.

Over six movies, fans watched the entire Rise and Fall of the Empire. If you're going to go back to Step One, and basically undo all the previous story, filling people in on what actually happened in-between is just a courtesy if nothing else, if for no other reason than to reinforce that the first six films aren't a giant waste of time, now. And if Snoke isn't a very interesting stand-in for the Emperor, and if people genuinely don't care what he did to pick up where Palpatine left off, that just means that they failed in their jobs to create a compelling character.

The fact that things that ARE important, and SHOULD be important, simply aren't important to a lot of people demonstrates a fundamental flaw in the storytelling. A guy who's essentially Palpatine 2.0 shouldn't be a throw-away gag villain. I mean, that's what we got, but that's not what should have happened.
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Old 07-06-2018, 01:57 PM   #162
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I'm very interested as to how the world we left in RotJ became TFA, in that I'm curious how things went so pear-shaped so quickly.
Did liberty die with thunderous applause?

But I'd prefer to be shown, rather than told.
And I think we see hints of how that happened with RO and the Casino Scene from TLJ.

The Empire may have fallen, but that doesn't mean that every person involved in the Empire died. And all you need is a handful of people in hiding to raise something from the dead.

I mean, there has to be balance in the force, right?
Nature abhors a vacuum.
If Yoda and Obi Wan survived, then surely some Sith did as well.
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Old 07-06-2018, 03:35 PM   #163
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All I can say is, having had the benefit of not being a huge Star Wars fan, doing a compare and contrast to the Expanded Universe of novels and comics versus the new Disney movies...

These new Disney movies are far more ineffective than the literature as anything other than a nostalgia-based cash grab, with shiny new actors and actresses. Very little effective writing that isn't calculated to trigger emotional responses based on previous affection for the films.

On the scale of cinematic universe effectiveness, I'd rank it below the DC film universe, far below the MCU, maybe on par with Transformers.

At best, it's big dumb action fun. Star Wars could and should be more than that.

The literature had some bungles like the Crystal Star, or the Black Fleet crisis, or Callista... but so far, the only real successes I can see by the films are killing Han Solo, Daisy Ridley, and Finn.
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Old 07-06-2018, 06:41 PM   #164
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There are some gold nuggets in the nu-EU...I've enjoyed a good majority of the novels and comics that I have seen over the past few years.

I hope the movies take a break for a while if there is some kind of big shake-up at Lucasfilm. They ought to let the fandom build organically and take in everything, like the gaps of time after the OT and PT. For instance, I don't care if Doctor Aphra from the Darth Vader comics never shows up in a film (considering their track record, it might do the character a disservice), but I'd love to see more about her in other media.
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Old 07-06-2018, 10:16 PM   #165
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I don't read the comics/novels either, but for the people curious it'll likely be revealed there. Just like they did the further adventures of Boba Fett, Bossk, what Luke did in the Rogue Squadron days, what Han did as a smuggler, what Darth Vader and Palpatine did for 30 years between the prequels and the original trilogy, etc.

All of it is just extra stories for hardcore fans, but obviously not essential information.
Yeah, because, background of the war that is centerpiece of the story is not important at all. Sure.

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I kind of get the feeling that it didn't take a whole lot of effort to turn Ben Solo into Kylo Ren, which is why I'm not all that interested in Snoke.

He's a manipulator, and in this instance I just don't find him all that compelling.
Doesn't make him unimportant for the story as a whole.
He is the creator of the First Order, so whether he is compelling character to you or not is irrelevant.
Pretending that he and his origin doesn't matter to the story is another thing altogether, which is just bad storytelling.

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Old 07-07-2018, 12:05 AM   #166
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Yeah, because, background of the war that is centerpiece of the story is not important at all. Sure. .
We'll probably see it eventually. Even if they have to recast Luke, Leia, etc. with new young actors to tell new movies in the gap of 30 years. After they just recast Han I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years we get a new Luke, Leia, etc. to fill in the gap.

Snoke was a bad idea from the start though, it's like J.J. Abrams felt there needed to be another emperor type character around but essentially made him a blank slate. Then Rian killed him off because he realized nobody really cared for him and he was never going to be much more than a Palpatine rehash anyway.

I didn't care about Snoke at all so I cheered when Kylo Ren killed him, also because I wasn't spoiled about Snoke's fate in the movie (unlike Luke), so I wasn't expecting it and was shocked they killed Snoke off only halfway into the movie.
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:47 AM   #167
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We'll probably see it eventually. Even if they have to recast Luke, Leia, etc. with new young actors to tell new movies in the gap of 30 years. After they just recast Han I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years we get a new Luke, Leia, etc. to fill in the gap.

Snoke was a bad idea from the start though, it's like J.J. Abrams felt there needed to be another emperor type character around but essentially made him a blank slate. Then Rian killed him off because he realized nobody really cared for him and he was never going to be much more than a Palpatine rehash anyway.

I didn't care about Snoke at all so I cheered when Kylo Ren killed him, also because I wasn't spoiled about Snoke's fate in the movie (unlike Luke), so I wasn't expecting it and was shocked they killed Snoke off only halfway into the movie.
Nobody cared for Snoke? There have been endless calls for to be Darth Plageuis. Fans wanted to see how he fit into everything.

People also assumed Rey's parents were someone that qas of previous importance. They wanted it and so did I. Abrahams intended for them to be someone.

Then there is how Luke was portrayed. People can change a,lot in 30 years, but even Hamaill did not believe the Luke Skywalkwer we got was true to the core of the character.

Those three things make a lot of fans feel cheated. Its what people wanted to see. Did we get it? We got a middle finger instead.
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I feel that frustration very keenly, because I have felt it another placees before. Goodness knows I felt it with the TMNT, and where I was treated with rudeness from the very showrunner of the previous Nick cartoon.

It's never fun to be told that something isn't made for you.

My suggestion to those feelings of frustration, is to find a creative outlet for it. Might I suggest fanfiction, or fanart.
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I feel that frustration very keenly, because I have felt it another places before. Goodness knows I felt it with the TMNT, and where I was treated with rudeness from the very showrunner of the previous Nick cartoon.
breaking the cone of silence for a rare admission. hey, we have something in common.

see, there had to be something.
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We'll probably see it eventually. Even if they have to recast Luke, Leia, etc. with new young actors to tell new movies in the gap of 30 years. After they just recast Han I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years we get a new Luke, Leia, etc. to fill in the gap.

Snoke was a bad idea from the start though, it's like J.J. Abrams felt there needed to be another emperor type character around but essentially made him a blank slate. Then Rian killed him off because he realized nobody really cared for him and he was never going to be much more than a Palpatine rehash anyway.

I didn't care about Snoke at all so I cheered when Kylo Ren killed him, also because I wasn't spoiled about Snoke's fate in the movie (unlike Luke), so I wasn't expecting it and was shocked they killed Snoke off only halfway into the movie.
You are special person in general, especially with your newfound "liberal" shtick, so I take your opinion with a tanker of salt.

Most people are interested to see details from previous movies to be expanded.

The whole idea to remake conflict between Empire and Rebels was bad. It was cheapest pandering possible with no imagination whatsoever. Take old characters and make them losers and then kill them and replace them with new uninteresting characters, recreate an old conflict without any explanation.

New Star Wars is an entirely "committee production", safe and sterile as humanly possible. Uninteresting. Creatively bankrupt.
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interesting. it fits with that other rumor that iger humiliated kathleen kennedy with a multi company conference call.

but WHY would someone as powerful as Iger NEED an excuse to let kennedy fail on her own merit? couldn't he just fire her if he didn't like her? or thought she wasn't right for the job?

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You are special person in general, especially with your newfound "liberal" shtick, so I take your opinion with a tanker of salt.

Most people are interested to see details from previous movies to be expanded.
Where on earth did you get that from anything I posted above? I just said, "We may see it eventually" because they'll obviously be stories whatever made during the 30 year gap in the future. Just like they make stuff inbetween the movies at all other parts of the timeline.

I never said I liked the status quo of the Empire being around, I just said Snoke was a bad idea from the start for obvious reasons he came across as rehashed Emperor. And I said we may get future movies where they may recast Luke/Leia, etc. like Han for more mid-series movies, or if not, it'll be done in comics/novels, etc.
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I also forgot that what's-his-name from Solo signed a contract to reprise his role as Han Solo. Obviously one of them was going to be a direct sequel to Solo (but who knows if that'll happen now), but I really do wonder if we're going to get a whole new Luke and Leia cast now, just so they can have a "young" Luke, Leia and Han in a new set of movies in the 30 year gap.
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but I really do wonder if we're going to get a whole new Luke and Leia cast now, just so they can have a "young" Luke, Leia and Han in a new set of movies in the 30 year gap.
Probably. They already have their NuHan and NuChewie, so there's a third of it already in the bag. They could even include Ewan for a long time as Force Ghost Obi-Wan. Oz while he's still around as Force Ghost Yoda.
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disney stock holders should be furious this tool is anywhere near the franchise. or the person who hired him.
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sexism rules at lucasfilm.

it's all because this lady, who got hired not because she was qualified, but through some loop hole, who is ruining the franchise top to bottom.
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So... Disney/Geek Blogger plant?
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Where do you keep finding this sh*t?

Your YouTube sidebar must be filled with angry rants about Star Wars.
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nope. i see it posted on other boards. with people just as disenfranchised with the state of things as everyone else is.
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