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Old 06-27-2018, 12:42 PM   #41
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I don't want them going too far with the FW stuff, as it could end up looking forced and inauthentic if they're trying too hard, but I'd be all over that if it was one (or more) of the Turtles actually commenting something to viewers. Or at the very least, a slightly frustrated Leo, dealing with brothers who ran off without listening to him, just looks at the camera for a second, shaking his head.
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Old 06-27-2018, 12:46 PM   #42
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The film continue the story of the first two films rather than be a reboot.
It definitely will be a reboot. And it's for the best, honestly. TMNT deserves better.

Here's what I'd like to see in a TMNT film:

1. To treat the turtles as characters
2. A tone similar to the Mirage comics.
3. Add Nagi in it.
4. The turtles wearing all red masks (I know that's a stretch but still).
5. None, if not, very little FW influences.
6. No influences from the PD films.
7. Mike's artistic side.

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Old 06-27-2018, 03:01 PM   #43
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I'm not even gonna go as far as to assume anything at this point in what they personally mean by reboot. Not until we have more direct information. We know too little.

Given the feelings from fans PD managed to generate from the last two, it would no doubt be foolish of them to stick with anything they already have.... But this is PD we're talking about.

After OotS, I want PD Leo back and I'm sad that's probably it for him (can he just get his own film one-shot instead? ) but I know it's probably not wise for them to do anything other than a total reboot.

But again, this is PD... it could be anything from a legit total reboot to a restructuring of their version. Not every source is even sure it's a true reboot so that info is still kind of cloudy. Too risky to get hopes up and assume too much yet.



If they do still go with some of what they have, such as the Turtle designs but choose to tone them down or something... they better be very pubic and open about it. Going the route of some companies, in the sense of admitting "we messed up," would prob be wise in that case if they want to win back interest.

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I hope they don't do "Hot rising Actor A is Raphael", it just didn't feel right in the PD movies. And giving the Turtles the actor likeness was weird, had it been suits like in Hellboy it'd feel less awkward.

One of the things I really like about the '90 movie is that the Turtles was the Turtles, if you was really keen to know you'd find out who wore the suit and who voiced them but generally there wasn't a lot Actor 1 is Leonardo.
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I hope they don't do "Hot rising Actor A is Raphael", it just didn't feel right in the PD movies. And giving the Turtles the actor likeness was weird, had it been suits like in Hellboy it'd feel less awkward.

One of the things I really like about the '90 movie is that the Turtles was the Turtles, if you was really keen to know you'd find out who wore the suit and who voiced them but generally there wasn't a lot Actor 1 is Leonardo.
Also Donnie doesn't need those glasses. To give the appearance that he's a nerd.
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The trilogy I'd want to see:

Movie #1: Begin with Splinter telling a story. In Feudal Japan, the Foot Clan doing their thing, assassinating people for hire, quick cuts over the centuries. Establish the Shredder as a mantle that is held and feared. Closer to the present, the Hamato Yoshi/Tang Shen/Oroku Nagi incident. Yoshi kills Nagi, Shen and Yoshi have to go into exile in the US (meanwhile, quick cuts of a rage-filled Oroku Saki training, vowing revenge). Yoshi returns home one day in the US to find Shen's body carved up, then gets stabbed by Oroku Saki, but is otherwise allowed to leave. Stumbling out, he finds his pet rat scurrying about. He picks it up and stumbles into the street for help, dying... but as he sees a boy with 4 turtles in a bowl about to get hit by a truck, he lunges forward with what is left of his ninja reflexes, shoving the boy aside while the truck smashes into him (the bowl is dropped, shatters near a storm drain). A container bounces out of the truck and smashes near the turtles on the ground, also splashing the rat Yoshi still clutches in his hand. The turtles scurry into the storm drain, and the confused rat does the same (the idea being, some of Yoshi's consciousness is transferred to the rat). Quick shots of the Turtles growing up and their ninja training regimen (think, Bruce with Ra's in Batman Begins), Splinter beating the crap out of them if they seem soft. They have to earn their bandannas, and each one gets a different color (blue, red, orange, purple). Rein it all back in with Splinter's story coming back to the present, with the Turtles being raised to one day kill Oroku Saki and avenge Hamato Yoshi and Tang Shen. Play to the circle of vengeance theme. Different scenes at different times: * Raphael meeting Casey. * April O'Neil being rescued by the Turtles. * Glimpses of Utroms in disguise, masquerading as people. Glimpses of Saki, running his criminal empire in New York (maybe also being annoyed at having to report to Karai in Japan). Baxter Stockman is shown to be in his employ, and a warehouse full of mousers can be teased. Splinter warns the Turtles that they're not ready, but the Turtles get cocky and issue their challenge to Saki, who accepts. Rooftop duel, but the Turtles get their asses kicked by a gauntlet of Foot, Shredder Elite, and Shredder himself who slices and pounds Leonardo into a coma. With the aid of April and Casey, they go and retreat to Northampton. Regathering their resolve after a spiritual journey on behalf of Splinter (perhaps a conversation with the Great Turtle, over a campfire), they return to New York and invade Shredder's Hudson Block complex. From here, pretty much exactly like "Return to New York," except Casey is along for the ride and Saki isn't a worm clone. The Turtles are cut to ribbons and Leonardo fails in his (sword) duel with Oroku Saki (who takes off his armor to fight mano-e-mano). He is nearly killed by Shredder's blade when Raphael dives in, grabs Leo's sword to block Shredder's blow, stabs him in the gut with a sai and beheads him with Leo's katana. Hudson Block is turned to rubble, the body is burned (with Splinter in attendance) and the circle of vengeance is complete... for now. You knew it was coming: at the end, the other Turtles, impressed with Raphael's tenacity in the face of certain death, lose their other bandanna colors and all adopt red.

Movie #2: Kind of starts out like the end of Mirage Vol. 1 and the beginning of Vol. 2, with the Turtles and Splinter becoming a bit lost. They've accomplished their sole mission in life... Saki is dead, the Foot Clan apparently in shambles. Now what? Donatello and Splinter retreat to the farmhouse in Northampton with April and Casey, while the other Turtles try to find some normalcy in their lives. Several over-arcing storylines here: 1) Stockman, who with Saki gone is out of a job, takes to robbing banks with his mousers. At one point the mousers tunnel through the Turtles' lair and they become involved. Eventually Baxter is brought down by the remaining Turtles and Casey. 2) On a nature walk into the mountains Splinter falls and breaks his leg and meets the Rat King, who teaches him in the ways of the rat, life, and the soul. Perhaps even connecting better with the parts of his psyche that are carryovers from Yoshi. Eventually he is hungry enough that he eats a rat to survive and grow stronger. We realize that the Rat King isn't real, or at least isn't a physical being, and is perhaps even an alternate persona of Splinter's. 3) Donatello is spoken to directly by the Great Turtle (who they spoke to briefly in the last movie), who encharges him as his Shaman for what he says is a coming apocalypse brought about by the Adversary, an ancient being who wiped out the reptiles of old. He seeks out the place where the Adversary was said to rise again... but he realizes he is too late, and the Adversary has already been awakened. Then, all over New York, millions upon millions of rats turn on people, devouring them and bringing down whole buildings. The Turtles make a deal with Stockman: use your mousers for good and we'll let you off. So the Turtles, Casey and thousands of mousers tear into the horde of rats, trying to find their source: the Brooklyn Bridge (or some big NY landmark), where upon the Adversary (basically a giant monstrous rat) has built a temple. They could connect with Leatherhead at that point in the sewers, who was besieged by the rats as well, and we could get his story about being experimented on by the Utroms and all of that. At a critical moment, Donatello and Splinter arrive, who then lead the charge to the temple. A long battle (during which the Adversary supernaturally forces the Turtles to face their own self doubts and worst fears) but Donatello, in full Shaman mode, manages to take down the Adversary, Leonardo hacking him up and Leatherhead eating what's left. Splinter learns to control rats to some degree with the help of the Rat King (who he often sees next to him and speaks to, but nobody can see him but Splinter) and puts at peace the horde. Bloody mess, and at the end we see Karai arrive in New York, witnessing the rubble left by the rat invasion and witnessing various Foot factions warring with one another. Something alluded to about now being "the perfect time" to pick up the broken pieces of the NY Foot by Saki. End with Raphael watching the Foot Clan civil war unfold on the TV news, then holding the helmet of Shredder, which he's kept as a keepsake since his death.

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Movie #3: A loose adaptation of "City at War." As New York rebuilds from the rat invasion and the Foot Clan wages war within itself, Karai runs afoul of one Shredder Elite in particular, Kenshin, who was Saki's #1. Karai's daughter is murdered during an attempt to rein in his particular faction by simply attempting to muscle them. Simultaneously, unbeknownst to his brothers (sort of like the Nightwatcher thing in TMNT 2007, but not), Raphael has adopted the helmet and mantle of the Shredder and manages to bring a good number of Foot to accept his claim, as he was the one that killed Saki. When they realize, his brothers try to get him to knock it off, but he's not having it. Meanwhile, looking for vengeance, Kenshin breaks into the Turtles lair and murders Splinter. The Turtles return with April and Casey to find the body. They have a big funeral over the Hudson, Leatherhead attending and Raphael joining at the last minute in his Shredder armor, the helmet of which he only grudgingly removes. The Turtles swear vengeance and Raphael swears it as well, in his own way. Karai appears then, offering the Turtles her deal: help her exterminate the Shredder Elite foot and Kenshin, and the long circle of vengeance with the Turtles will become that of a permanent truce. Raphael poopoos it, storming off. The remaining Turtles agree. First training hard to get into peak conditioning, the Turtles (sans Raph) drop their red bandannas and adopt all black ones. Then we see a sequence of events where the Turtles, April, Casey, Karai, and even Leatherhead (as the muscle) systematically take out the Shredder Elite and their factions of loyalists. A battle royale ensues in the rubble of Hudson Block. The Shredder Elite manage to bring down a building on Leatherhead, taking him out of the game. The Turtles manage to route most of the Foot, but are otherwise unable to contain most of them. It is then that Karai arrives, in full Shredder regalia, the original armor from Feudal Japan and makes a formal claim to the mantle of the Shredder, that Kenshin and his Shredder Elite must pass their vow of loyalty onto her. It is then that Raphael arrives, who makes the same claim... but that he is owed it not by blood or by family, but by virtue of having bested their leader. Kenshin says they must fight it out. So it's Karai's Lady Shredder vs. Raphael Shredder. Raphael gets the upper hand. Kenshin agrees to accept Raphael's claim to the mantle of the Shredder. As his brothers look on in horror, Raphael is adorned with the cloak of Oroku Saki. As Kenshin kneels before him, Raphael raises a gauntlet and spikes him in the skull, kicking the body down. "That's for my father, sh*thead," or something similar. The Turtles and Karai then dispatch the remaining Foot and Shredder Elite. When it comes to the very last Shredder Elite, rather than fight, the Shredder Elite commits seppuku, proclaiming the blood feud will be "never over." Raphael was always on the Turtles' side, he was just wanting to get close to Kenshin. So that's that, Karai honors her part of the deal and there is a truce with the Turtles... now the circle of blood vengeance is truly over. At the end, Leatherhead is helped out of the rubble. Maybe the people helping him could be Utroms, who reveal themselves to him and that they have been looking for him for years. For a stinger/teaser (I'd put it as a mid or after-the-end credits, let the main movie end organically), when the Turtles are finally allowed to relax, BOOM, they're all transported away in a Trasmat beam, and find themselves in the middle of a Triceraton arena, ala the end of Evil Dead 2.

If it got a fourth movie, movie 4 would be the big space odyssey adventure on the Triceraton worlds, D'hoonib, and get into the Utroms. Maybe it could end with their big reveal to the world, after helping the Turtles get back to Earth. Movie 5, big time travel romp with Renet. Movie 6, probably people are going to want to ground things again, so some kind of urban, gritty fare again... maybe my old idea for a Chinese triad coming to New York, muscling up on the Foot. Maybe, to combat this, the Foot resurrect Oroku Saki with worms.
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Old 06-27-2018, 04:08 PM   #49
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Holy text wall, Batman. But decent suggestions.

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Now they'll probably go back to the alien idea and give them double sets of nostrils. Big cow-like ones too.




Agree with doing away with Donnie having glasses. While as a fellow wearer I appreciate the idea, I don't however appreciate it as a stereotype. They're also an obvious problem in a fight. If one of them needs glasses enough to require them in battle then surely Donnie is enough of a wiz that he can figure out how to create a pair of contacts.

If any of them wear glasses, it would be cuter if it's just reading glasses and seen only at home. And preferably one of the other three so it's less stereotypically expected.

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Old 06-27-2018, 05:18 PM   #50
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Imagine Leo wearing glasses as he read through ancient martial art scrolls in his study...

*long sigh* Wow that’s so adorable.
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You might need to elaborate more or give an example. You mean like the Shell Cycle, the Turtle Taxi, or what?
A van or a truck that looks like a normal company car for a turtle themed company. For example the moving truck Tortuga Bros.

Or a vehicle that Don builds from parts that he gives a shell paint job to for the fun of it.

Before anyone says anything I did NOT say brand it with the words “Ninja Turtles”. It would be something like a customized car. People do that in real life. I said Casey Jones could be their driver.

Edit: Oh I just thought it could be Casey Jones’ car that Don upgrades. Van or truck/suv.
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3. A time travel story to Ancient Japan.
Why are the turtles so much better at visiting Feudal Japan than Japan of today?
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Why are the turtles so much better at visiting Feudal Japan than Japan of today?
Because Feudal Japan has more ninjas but Modern Japan can work too (like in Tale of the Yokai)
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The biggest villains were the censors. What they could do without being held back is my question. Shredder could've done more than blow up the Channel Six building. I don't mean as far as murdering Splinter, but think of the possibilities if censors were not an issue. Shredder and Krang combined had the biggest arsenal of any villains in all of the cartoons.
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Might also be safer... Ancient Japan is probably also more likely to see them as Kappa and run away, vs 21st century people trying to capture them and harm them.

Though I'd personally rather they visit modern day Japan instead.
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The story origins in Japan, so I think the turtles and Splinter should have more interests of visiting modern Japan for a longer time and enjoy its culture (sumo wrestling, karatade and judo, table tennis, videogames or whatever). The Archieverse did it great, and I really liked Tai San.
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Especially if we're dealing with a Splinter who was human, it would make that much more sense that he would want to someday show the Turtles where he came from and the area where he grew up.

And I'm not sure anything has ever touched on the fact that he could very likely still have remaining extended family there. Were it possible for him to have some kind of correspondence with them over the years and slowly break the news that he was mutated and has these four rather unusual sons... heck, it would be pretty cool to see them be able to visit that remaining family in Japan. Esp seeing the Turtles maybe getting to meet a few adoptive cousins, aunts, and uncles.

If there was a cousin around their age it could be a cool way to bring in a new character, after he/she visits or moves to NYC. Though that might make for better cartoon series material.
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Especially if we're dealing with a Splinter who was human, it would make that much more sense that he would want to someday show the Turtles where he came from and the area where he grew up.

And I'm not sure anything has ever touched on the fact that he could very likely still have remaining extended family there. Were it possible for him to have some kind of correspondence with them over the years and slowly break the news that he was mutated and has these four rather unusual sons... heck, it would be pretty cool to see them be able to visit that remaining family in Japan. Esp seeing the Turtles maybe getting to meet a few adoptive cousins, aunts, and uncles.

If there was a cousin around their age it could be a cool way to bring in a new character, after he/she visits or moves to NYC. Though that might make for better cartoon series material.

There was a fic- think it was by a former Dromer- where that happened, except it was Mikey (Nick tmnt) who wrote to Yoshi's mother to try to meet her and explain what had happened to Yoshi. I seem to recall that it did not go well, as she thought he was trying to scam her using her "dead" son's name.
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First off - whoever typed in Seppuku for a tag, thank you so much for making me laugh.

I didn't really care enough to see either of the last two BayTurtle movies, and, I have no real desire to see this third movie should it actually get made. (I doubt that either CinemaSins or RiffTrax reviews are the same as actually watching either of the last two movies. However, they are entertaining nonetheless.)
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I was listening to a video by the Old Turtle Den, where he is discussing some ideas of what he felt should be in a TMNT reboot.

The first suggestion is letting the turtles all have red masks because this would be a homage to the original comic book where they all had red masks. And then at some point in the narrative, Raph slams down a blue mask, purple mask, and orange mask on a table and tells his brothers to put them on. Because maybe there is a short gag where each of the Turtles is mistaken for one another, so Raph just tosses some alternate colored masks to his brothers and says put them on so that can help tell them apart.

I remember in Andre's interview with Minae Noji that there was one scene cut out of the 2014 movie where Splinter is holding Donnie's mask and comparing it to a purple orchid. I will need to see that interview again to see about full context. But it does sound like their may have been color symbolism involved.

Each color does have meanings, and they apply to the character of the turtle it's given to. For example, Donnie and Leo are given cool colored masks because they are the calm turtles, they are the ones who are stepping back and plan out the situation, mediate the problems.


But their shades can also vary as well such as Leo's mask color depending on the version can be dark blue to medium blue to turquoise.

While Donnie's mask ranges from dark purple, blue-violet, red-violet, and just regular purple. Such as in the 2012 version in Donnie's character concept there was a notation saying that Donnie's mask was purple because he was a blend of both of his older brothers. I.E. Calm and collected like Leo but will burst into fits of unbridled rage like Raph.

Both blue and purple are associated with wisdom, compassion, and nobility

Raph and Mikey are the more active members. The ones who are more likely to jump into a situation and make things up as they go along which is why they are assigned warmer colors.

Raph is always red because he is the angry one, but he is also the protector of the group. Red is a color symbolizing passion, strength, and aggression.

Mikey is they hyperactive one so he is orange which is a color associated with enthusiasm and creativity.
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