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*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-05-2015, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

Suddenly I'm reminded of Star Wars and the travesty that is midi-chlorians...

Sometimes the opposite can be true as well; a creator can say, "this is canon" and it can be better to ignore the addition, as it is dumb as hell.

Very very true.

*ProphetofGanja* · 12-05-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Very very true.

Man I am just passionately upset about that issue. The guy at this website does a great job of verbalizing why midi-chlorians were a poor addition to the Star Wars mythos.

But in any case, I think this TMNT/Batman crossover will be freakin' sweet, and to me ultimately it doesn't matter if it's perfectly canon with IDW's TMNT (which is far and away my favorite iteration of the TMNT), I just imagine it as an alternate dimension tale of the IDW TMNT, kinda like the X-Files/Transformers/Crow crossover, which was kinda cool, but Transformers are fvcking lame and I know nothing of the Crow. But the way the story went all paradoxical time-loop was kinda cool.

*Ninjinister* · 12-05-2015, 07:00 PM

God you folks take your fiction way too seriously.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-05-2015, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister

God you folks take your fiction way too seriously.

Everybody whip out your BayTurtle Bingo cards! Somebody's starting a game over here!

*ProphetofGanja* · 12-06-2015, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Everybody whip out your BayTurtle Bingo cards! Somebody's starting a game over here!

ugh, I'm having flashbacks to that awful movie

it wasn't even bad for a TMNT movie, it's just a bad movie all-around

*Ninjinister* · 12-06-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Everybody whip out your BayTurtle Bingo cards! Somebody's starting a game over here!

You merely further prove my point by being a dick about it.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-06-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister

You merely further prove my point by being a dick about it.

Hugs and kisses to you, too, darling.

*ToTheNines* · 12-06-2015, 06:40 PM

What came first? The dick or the dick?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-06-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

What came first? The dick or the dick?

Isn't the dick dick a kind of Australian bird?

Or a frat house party game?

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 12-06-2015, 08:35 PM

Bingo! On the dick-dick, I mean. Yes, it is a bird. Also, canon or no, I'd keep it in-universe, too. And to Hela with midi-chlorians! Since when is the Force a friggin microbe?!

*Leo656* · 12-06-2015, 08:41 PM

'I believe he was actually birthed by the Midi-Chlorians..."
"Wait... you mean to tell me that Darth Vader's actually just a pile of microscopic bugs?
"Well if you think about it, we all are."
"....Wow, man, that's deep..."

*Mayhem* · 12-07-2015, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Bingo! On the dick-dick, I mean. Yes, it is a bird. Also, canon or no, I'd keep it in-universe, too. And to Hela with midi-chlorians! Since when is the Force a friggin microbe?!

[Pedant Mode] A dik-dik is a small African antelope [/Pedant Mode]

*ProphetofGanja* · 12-07-2015, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Bingo! On the dick-dick, I mean. Yes, it is a bird. Also, canon or no, I'd keep it in-universe, too. And to Hela with midi-chlorians! Since when is the Force a friggin microbe?!

Right on man!

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Originally Posted by Leo656

'I believe he was actually birthed by the Midi-Chlorians..."
"Wait... you mean to tell me that Darth Vader's actually just a pile of microscopic bugs?
"Well if you think about it, we all are."
"....Wow, man, that's deep..."

lmao. Too true, too true

*CyberCubed* · 12-07-2015, 07:56 PM

What's the date this comes out again?

~~ChosenOne~~ · 12-07-2015, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What's the date this comes out again?

This Wednesday.

Mutant Ninja Anole · 12-08-2015, 12:35 PM

Whether it fits into the IDW Turtle Lore shouldn't really concern anyone. We get to see Batman crossover with the Turtles, we're not expecting the issue to have any lasting 'canon' effects for either.

Given that this crossover is likely to grab a lot of people who have not been reading the IDW comics, it's probably best to present the turtles close to their 'status quo.' Which of course means Foot=bad guys.

It's like when I picked up the Death of Superman graphic novel and suddenly got whiplashed by all the changes that had been happening. Okay, Lois knows Superman is Clark and they are engaged. Got it. But wait, Lex Luthor is a young guy with a full head of hair? And everyone thinks he's good? And he's dating Supergirl?!? Wait, why did Supergirl just turn into a purple alien?!?

That's just the nature of things when you make bold moves to a franchise status quo, you make it a little harder for that casual fan to jump in. Not that I object to IDW's moves, quite the contrary. But for the sake of a big mainstream crossover with Batman it makes sense to downplay any weirdness. So, no Alopex, no Kitsune, No Splinter running the Foot. We get Foot ninja and the Turtles grabbing pizza and living in the sewers in the first couple of pages. The preview is basically nailing every nostalgic note that people who watched the cartoon when they were 8 would remember.

*Leo656* · 12-08-2015, 09:21 PM

Just to play Devil's Advocate with regards to the Death of Superman arc, here.

Despite being a lifelong comics fan I've had several lapses where I wasn't following them closely, and 1990-1992 was one of those times, and it was the Death storyline that got me to jump back in, as well. And as you said, there were some things that didn't mesh with where things were when I left, like Lex and Supergirl.

BUT, to be fair to the story, all of those changes were addressed and explained in-story for the benefit of new readers. Like Lex's thought bubbles, where he explained that he had faked his death and had his brain put in a younger clone, stuff like that. So it's not like they just threw Young Lex and Matrix Supergirl in there and let the reader figure it out, they actually did everything possible to bring the new people up to speed as quickly and easily as possible.

Just had to clarify that point. Lots of comic book stories do kind of gloss over Big Changes and leave the reader confused but that one in particular wasn't guilty of that. In fact as far as Lex, I think you'd have to really dig to find an issue back then that DIDN'T stop the story dead to remind you he was Old Lex's brain in Young Lex's body. They kind of mentioned it more than they needed to, if anything.

Every single issue, "Little do they suspect... (Exposition Train Leaves The Station)"

Good stuff.

SDCC · 12-09-2015, 07:43 AM

Has anyone else had the chance to read this yet?

I knocked up a spoiler free review at lunchtime - http://www.superdstuff.com/2015/12/batmantmnt-1.html

I think this might read better as a trade later on. Some of that might just be impatience though.

Very curious as to what the rest of you guys made of it. Only Star Wars and possibly Ghostbusters rank near these two for childhood fondness, so it's a pretty big deal to me.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-09-2015, 08:25 AM

It occurs to me, we can probably get some more brutal fights out of this crossover as the Batman comics typically go quite a bit further with the violence and carnage.

Like, say, Alfred getting a hand chopped off by Joker. Or the whole Joker's face thing.

Desslok · 12-09-2015, 11:32 AM

Ok, I've had a chance to read this and I must say that I really enjoyed it. The art is much nicer than I expected, the turtles especially look great. There were a lot of characters to introduce in this first issue so you don't get a whole lot of big plot details yet, but you do get a lot of great dialogue and some really fun crossover moments.

Spoiler:

It's a promising start to a story that seems to be made just for the fun factor. And so far for me it accomplishes that goal as a fun crossover experience that I'm excited to explore more in the coming months.

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12-06-2015, 08:35 PM	#30
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	Bingo! On the dick-dick, I mean. Yes, it is a bird. Also, canon or no, I'd keep it in-universe, too. And to Hela with midi-chlorians! Since when is the Force a friggin microbe?! __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

12-06-2015, 08:41 PM	#31
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	'I believe he was actually birthed by the Midi-Chlorians..." "Wait... you mean to tell me that Darth Vader's actually just a pile of microscopic bugs? "Well if you think about it, we all are." "....Wow, man, that's deep..." __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

12-08-2015, 12:35 PM	#36
Mutant Ninja Anole Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: USA Posts: 591	Whether it fits into the IDW Turtle Lore shouldn't really concern anyone. We get to see Batman crossover with the Turtles, we're not expecting the issue to have any lasting 'canon' effects for either. Given that this crossover is likely to grab a lot of people who have not been reading the IDW comics, it's probably best to present the turtles close to their 'status quo.' Which of course means Foot=bad guys. It's like when I picked up the Death of Superman graphic novel and suddenly got whiplashed by all the changes that had been happening. Okay, Lois knows Superman is Clark and they are engaged. Got it. But wait, Lex Luthor is a young guy with a full head of hair? And everyone thinks he's good? And he's dating Supergirl?!? Wait, why did Supergirl just turn into a purple alien?!? That's just the nature of things when you make bold moves to a franchise status quo, you make it a little harder for that casual fan to jump in. Not that I object to IDW's moves, quite the contrary. But for the sake of a big mainstream crossover with Batman it makes sense to downplay any weirdness. So, no Alopex, no Kitsune, No Splinter running the Foot. We get Foot ninja and the Turtles grabbing pizza and living in the sewers in the first couple of pages. The preview is basically nailing every nostalgic note that people who watched the cartoon when they were 8 would remember. __________________ My stupid Tumblr

12-08-2015, 09:21 PM	#37
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Just to play Devil's Advocate with regards to the Death of Superman arc, here. Despite being a lifelong comics fan I've had several lapses where I wasn't following them closely, and 1990-1992 was one of those times, and it was the Death storyline that got me to jump back in, as well. And as you said, there were some things that didn't mesh with where things were when I left, like Lex and Supergirl. BUT, to be fair to the story, all of those changes were addressed and explained in-story for the benefit of new readers. Like Lex's thought bubbles, where he explained that he had faked his death and had his brain put in a younger clone, stuff like that. So it's not like they just threw Young Lex and Matrix Supergirl in there and let the reader figure it out, they actually did everything possible to bring the new people up to speed as quickly and easily as possible. Just had to clarify that point. Lots of comic book stories do kind of gloss over Big Changes and leave the reader confused but that one in particular wasn't guilty of that. In fact as far as Lex, I think you'd have to really dig to find an issue back then that DIDN'T stop the story dead to remind you he was Old Lex's brain in Young Lex's body. They kind of mentioned it more than they needed to, if anything. Every single issue, "Little do they suspect... (Exposition Train Leaves The Station)" Good stuff. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

12-06-2015, 06:40 PM	#28
ToTheNines [sic] Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15,098	What came first? The dick or the dick?

12-07-2015, 07:56 PM	#34
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	What's the date this comes out again?

12-09-2015, 07:43 AM	#38
SDCC Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 107	Has anyone else had the chance to read this yet? I knocked up a spoiler free review at lunchtime - http://www.superdstuff.com/2015/12/batmantmnt-1.html I think this might read better as a trade later on. Some of that might just be impatience though. Very curious as to what the rest of you guys made of it. Only Star Wars and possibly Ghostbusters rank near these two for childhood fondness, so it's a pretty big deal to me. __________________ Spoiler free film, TV and comic reviews. I review TMNT monthly and have interviews with Mateus Santolouco and Sophie Campbell! superdstuff.com

12-09-2015, 08:25 AM	#39
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	It occurs to me, we can probably get some more brutal fights out of this crossover as the Batman comics typically go quite a bit further with the violence and carnage. Like, say, Alfred getting a hand chopped off by Joker. Or the whole Joker's face thing. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

12-09-2015, 11:32 AM	#40
Desslok Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 383	Ok, I've had a chance to read this and I must say that I really enjoyed it. The art is much nicer than I expected, the turtles especially look great. There were a lot of characters to introduce in this first issue so you don't get a whole lot of big plot details yet, but you do get a lot of great dialogue and some really fun crossover moments. Spoiler: My favorites being Donatello geeking out over the Batmobile and Batman's brief encounter with Shredder. That moment in particular was so cool just because it's not supposed to happen. It's a promising start to a story that seems to be made just for the fun factor. And so far for me it accomplishes that goal as a fun crossover experience that I'm excited to explore more in the coming months. __________________ Watch Episodes \| Latest Updates \| More Fun