Star Wars Resistance, the next cartoon and successor to Clone Wars and Rebels

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

uh oh this is set in the new star wars universe


https://i.imgur.com/rnuz8jX.jpg

You shoulda just shorted that to "is coming." Still made me laugh, though.

I dunno, I don't get excited for cartoons. Even cartoons adults can enjoy. It just feels like... I dunno, like cheating. Taking the easy way of telling a story.

[CyberCubed]

Cartoons are written for adults nowadays. Even ones aimed at kids.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Cartoons are written for adults nowadays. Even ones aimed at kids.

Yes, Cubed, I'm aware of that.

It just seems like taking the cheapest form of storytelling to placate adults who want stories.

Serious Ninja Turtle movies? Nah, he's a cartoon with some horror references that kids won't get. Good Justice League movies? Nah, he's a new cartoon series. Good Star Wars movies set in [x] time period? Nah, have a cartoon.

My take, anyway.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yes, Cubed, I'm aware of that.

It just seems like taking the cheapest form of storytelling to placate adults who want stories.

Serious Ninja Turtle movies? Nah, he's a cartoon with some horror references that kids won't get. Good Justice League movies? Nah, he's a new cartoon series. Good Star Wars movies set in [x] time period? Nah, have a cartoon.

My take, anyway.

Hm, do you think all animation is inferior? Disney/Pixar cartoon movies are written for adults to enjoy, Young Justice is considered one of the best DC series of all time and it's a cartoon, and of course the classic Batman: TAS is critically acclaimed. There's also anime most of which is aimed at adults and I'm not even much an anime fan in general. It's also obviously easier to do these shows with cartoons/animation than with real people, cheaper too, so we get more stories out of it.

I mean we're not in the 1980's anymore, there's so much animation and cartoons aimed at adults these days. Let alone all the adult comedies they air, etc.

[Raph's Girl]

Can't wait to see the first footage. Probably at San Diego Comic Con.

[sdp]

Now more than ever there's a ton of cartoons aimed at adults thanks to the success of Adult Swim. However most of those shows tend to be comedies. Yes, many shows are now written intelligent enough that not only kids but adults can enjoy them too. That doesn't mean the shows target audience isn't primarily kids even if there's a small loud niche online of adult fans.

I love animation but it's still doesn't hit the same points a live action show/movie for adults. Let alone a book which is the superior format for storytelling. We can cherry pick exceptions, for example BTAS being better than any live action take but they pale in comparison to what can be achieved if something is really meant for adults.

Yeah it's cool to see how much progress cartoons have made over the years but it's still a long way before you can argue that they're the same.

[plastroncafe]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm far more lenient when it comes to plot and execution with animation than I am with something live action.

There are just things you can get away with in a cartoon that you can't with actual actors, and depending on the story sometimes Show Not Tell just works better.

[sdp]

Here's my wishlist for the show:

*Exploit BB-8, he was such an awesome addition to Episode VII and sadly got ignored in Ep. VIII.
*Continue the fanwankery of using the continuity of Clone Wars/Rebels to tell stories with characters we saw in those series. It really helped Rebels feel like a more established universe.
* Try to adapt some stories, haven't watched S3/4 of Rebels so no spoilers but if General Thrawn wasn't killed or Hier to the Empire adapted, maybe it can be adapted in some way, not just that but other fun post OT EU stories
*Goes without saying but try to make the sequels make more sense by
explaining all the problems of going back to the OT in the 30 year span.
*Have an episode with Finn as a storm trooper before he ever met the others
*It's time for Jar Jar Binks to return
*The Empire should really be dealt with a minimum, have more fun stories but based on Leia/Poe being integral parts of the plot I'm guessing that's hoping for too much

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm far more lenient when it comes to plot and execution with animation than I am with something live action.

There are just things you can get away with in a cartoon that you can't with actual actors, and depending on the story sometimes Show Not Tell just works better.

I think it has to do with suspension of disbelief, when it's animated you're already accepting that these drawings are "real" so you're more willing to let them do things that your brain might not let pass if it's done by CG or a more realistic set of rules. That's what I think.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm far more lenient when it comes to plot and execution with animation than I am with something live action.

Yeah. Though by the same token I am more lenient when it comes to plot and execution in animation... I am also taking it far less seriously on the whole.

Just as a random example, think of TMNT 2007. The only scene people remember from it, the big Leonardo vs. Raphael scene? Now imagine if it had been in live-action instead, full-on Jim Henson suits and all.

There's no way you can tell me that scene wouldn't have had way, way, way more weight in live-action.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm far more lenient when it comes to plot and execution with animation than I am with something live action.

There are just things you can get away with in a cartoon that you can't with actual actors, and depending on the story sometimes Show Not Tell just works better.

The

Spoiler:

time travel

shenanigans in Rebels would have gotten absolutely ass-blasted by fanboys if they did that in Episodes VIII or IX.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by sdp

Yeah it's cool to see how much progress cartoons have made over the years but it's still a long way before you can argue that they're the same.

But still, we're in general stuck in western countries with "Comics and cartoons are only for children" (even videogames seem to still suffer from this). Japan doesn't seem to have the same problems, with their manga and anime.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yes, Cubed, I'm aware of that.

It just seems like taking the cheapest form of storytelling to placate adults who want stories.

Serious Ninja Turtle movies? Nah, he's a cartoon with some horror references that kids won't get. Good Justice League movies? Nah, he's a new cartoon series. Good Star Wars movies set in [x] time period? Nah, have a cartoon.

My take, anyway.

It feels like you have less problems with the actual medium and more the demographic

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I dunno, I don't get excited for cartoons. Even cartoons adults can enjoy. It just feels like... I dunno, like cheating. Taking the easy way of telling a story.

The same. It doesn't feel "real" to me. Even a book feel more "real" to me than a cartoon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The same. It doesn't feel "real" to me. Even a book feel more "real" to me than a cartoon.

Glad somebody else gets my thinking!

[Vegita-San]

I'm just not a fan of the new turtle guys working on the new star wars things. star wars is in bad enough shape as it is. we don't need more horror elements introduced into star wars. ugh.

[sdp]

I never understood how people say "Clone Wars fixes the PT", it doesn't really. They're fun stories but I don't think they add to the movies, in fact they cause more problems. The original "The Clone Wars" cartoons which are ironically non-canon do make the movies better since they were made to bridge the gap between the movies and without them you're left with a bunch of questions. I like CG Clone Wars but it's not so amazing.

I do think this series can flesh out the sequel trilogy a bit better but it's limited what it can do. Can it make Captain Phasma into a badass? Maybe but we already know how she'll be in the actual movies, etc. So yeah, I don't think it'll do harm and may fix a few things but it won't make the ST actually good.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by sdp

I never understood how people say "Clone Wars fixes the PT",

maybe fixes isn't the right word.

It shows, that with NO yes men around, you CAN make even bad ideas like Jar Jar work REMARKABLY well. The only Jar Jar episodes I found annoyingly unwatchable where the one where he got a girlfriend. gross central ;o)

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

The original "The Clone Wars" cartoons which are ironically non-canon do make the movies better

I've actually seen those. Somewhat entertaining, though certainly nothing I took remotely seriously and nothing I ever expected to be or remain in canon. I just remember Mace Windu jumping on top of ships from the ground and punching holes in walls, or something... it felt super exaggerated and stylized.