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Sighphi · 11-02-2017, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm sure Leonardo will grow into the leader as the show progresses. Out of all the changes I'm surprised this is the one triggering people instead of African American April.

people dont want to be called racist, yo.

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Agreed.

Leo isn't my favorite, not by a long shot, but...reading some of the things being written by people who say he's their favorite, I can't help but wonder if it's him they like, or his position of authority in the group.

For the most part I'm not seeing people talk about what they like about Leo, just that he must lead.
Why must he lead?
Is that all he really is? All that character is capable of?

All of the turtles basically revolve around a single trait. Leo's trait is leadership. Being a leader isnt just barking out orders, it's managing the team to make sure they work together, protecting them, and making hard choices. This is what this character is built on.

This is known for this character and this is why this doesnt really need an explanation.

So when they say Raphael is the leader and he is described as being the same way he usual acts... that brings some questions on why is this new setup like this if they are looking like they are keeping their standard traits.

*THGhost* · 11-02-2017, 09:31 PM

If Raph is the leader, where does that leave Leo?

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2017, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by THGhost

If Raph is the leader, where does that leave Leo?

It says that he's a rebel, most likely he's going to lead the team eventually and take over from Raph by the end of Season 1.

*THGhost* · 11-02-2017, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It says that he's a rebel, most likely he's going to lead the team eventually and take over from Raph by the end of Season 1.

That seems a little pointless but I guess it'll be interesting to see.

*IndigoErth* · 11-02-2017, 09:41 PM

Not even just the leader thing as I was saying... More simply put, it sounds like their changing his personality, the very nature of who he is, or at least that's how it reads to me, which is kind of depressing, and, to me, not fair to him. (It's a little like the rather thoughtless recast of Knoxville all over again because hey, it's just Leo, who cares...)

Can he have the occasional rebellious moment? Sure, esp if there is build up to it that makes sense. Just as in 2003 he can have an angry period, or lose confidence for while there or elsewhere, and so on. But have his personality based on being a Raph-like younger rebellious sibling... Wtf.

Even PD didn't screw with this part, however not-well it was written.

Keep hoping for it Cubed, I do hope your right, but, you know... speculation. If true though, why take Leo's older brother status away, it seems so pointless unless the did it to make a point. Or as a jab at him, though I'd hope not. (God, I feel kind of like 2012 Raph fans insisting that the creators hate him. Is that what this is going to be?)

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2017, 09:43 PM

We're going to see a Leonardo who grows into becoming the leader rather than just being the leader from the start. Makes perfect sense. Raph also still has his hot-head personality and they said Leonardo is rebellious so they will fight as usual and eventually it'll probably lead to Raph stepping down and letting Leo lead the team.

I'm willing to bet this will be a plotline running through Season 1. Then Leo will begin to lead by the finale and into Season 2.

The Nick cartoon did the same thing with various plotlines, they took entire seasons to run their course.

Leolead · 11-02-2017, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Not even just the leader thing as I was saying... More simply put, it sounds like their changing his personality, the very nature of who he is, or at least that's how it reads to me, which is kind of depressing, and, to me, not fair to him. (It's a little like the rather thoughtless recast of Knoxville all over again because hey, it's just Leo, who cares...)

Can he have the occasional rebellious moment? Sure, esp if there is build up to it that makes sense. Just as in 2003 he can have an angry period, or lose confidence for while there or elsewhere, and so on. But have his personality based on being a Raph-like younger rebellious sibling... Wtf.

Even PD didn't screw with this part, however not-well it was written.

Keep hoping for it Cubed, I do hope your right, but, you know... speculation. If true though, why take Leo's older brother status away, it seems so pointless unless the did it to make a point. Or as a jab at him, though I'd hope not. (God, I feel kind of like 2012 Raph fans insisting that the creators hate him. Is that what this is going to be?)

I completely agree. I don't like what they're doing with Leo at all. Just sounds like change for the sake of change.

*sdp* · 11-02-2017, 09:46 PM

Cubed is still in denial that Leo will be leader. It'll take him a while, remember he went on for months that the 2012 hadn't been cancelled.

This show will break the conventions of what TMNT should be, hence the changes. I'm guessing no Shredder as well, obscenely different origin, no returning mutants that we like, no nods to anything from previous incarnations. We'll be so tired of all the changes we'll be wishing Shredder be in it even if its Eric Sacks underneath the mask.

*THGhost* · 11-02-2017, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

God, I feel kind of like 2012 Raph fans insisting that the creators hate him. Is that what this is going to be?

I really don't get where that came from. 2012 Raph was a great character imho.

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2017, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leolead

I completely agree. I don't like what they're doing with Leo at all. Just sounds like change for the sake of change.

The first episode hasn't even aired yet. We haven't even seen any designs yet. At least wait till we see this stuff before passing judgement of how they're handling Leonardo.

*IndigoErth* · 11-02-2017, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

We're going to see a Leonardo who grows into becoming the leader rather than just being the leader from the start. Makes perfect sense. Raph also still has his hot-head personality and they said Leonardo is rebellious so they will fight as usual and eventually it'll probably lead to Raph stepping down and letting Leo lead the team.

I'm willing to bet this will be a plotline running through Season 1. Then Leo will begin to lead by the finale and into Season 2.

The Nick cartoon did the same thing with various plotlines, they took entire seasons to run their course.

You sitting in the studio reading the scripts?

I don't disagree with allowing him to grow into the position. That's fine and all. 2012 Leo did the same, even if Splinter's decision was fast and Leo didn't face any competition. However...

I don't understand where they get idea to make him rebellious though. In what way does that even make sense to his personality since the typical attitude of rebelliousness kind of conflicts with who he generally is as a person.

They're going to make him a rebel to then what... magically change and become responsible?

Is he going to be disrespectful to Splinter now, too?

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The first episode hasn't even aired yet. We haven't even seen any designs yet. At least wait till we see this stuff before passing judgement of how they're handling Leonardo.

I think people who are most interested in this character have the freedom and right to be concerned if not liking what we're hearing so far, limited as it may be...

I wouldn't fault Raph fans for feeling the same, though not much detail has been given yet to worry on that front...unless your speculations are true and they set it up to screw him over the way some of his fans too often felt 2012 did. Which would be sad to see happen again and turn into a jab at him too.

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Originally Posted by THGhost

I really don't get where that came from. 2012 Raph was a great character imho.

I liked him just fine myself, but I recall there being quite a bit of complaint about how he was supposedly being treated, or so some said over the course of the series.

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2017, 09:58 PM

As I said before, when the Nick show was first coming out in 2012 and the news of Leonardo being slightly nerdy and liking a Space Heroes sci-fi show people were freaking out, and then it turned out perfectly fine when the episodes aired. People were also making a big deal out of a taller Splinter for the first time, and Nick's Splinter turned out to be one of the most popular incarnations.

I'm sure it'll be similar here. Leonardo will of course still have his role as always, it's not like all the Turtles always listen to the leader in any episodes of any cartoon. The Turtles all do their own thing half the time.

*THGhost* · 11-02-2017, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I liked him just fine myself, but I recall there being quite a bit of complaint about how he was supposedly being treated, or so some said over the course of the series.

I don't see it tbh, but whatever.

*DestronMirage22* · 11-02-2017, 10:16 PM

So much news regarding this new show.

Some pretty dumb changes made just for the sake of change, but I was already expecting the worst so they don’t really surprise me.
I figured this show was gonna suck, and so far there’s been nothing to convince me otherwise.

At least there’s still IDW.
Geez, I miss Mirage.

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2017, 10:17 PM

The show is gonna suck because April is black and Raph might temporarily lead the team?

I don't think so. Depends entirely on the writing and execution.

DevilSpooky · 11-02-2017, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

We're going to see a Leonardo who grows into becoming the leader rather than just being the leader from the start. Makes perfect sense. Raph also still has his hot-head personality and they said Leonardo is rebellious so they will fight as usual and eventually it'll probably lead to Raph stepping down and letting Leo lead the team.

I'm willing to bet this will be a plotline running through Season 1. Then Leo will begin to lead by the finale and into Season 2.

The Nick cartoon did the same thing with various plotlines, they took entire seasons to run their course.

You seem to believe they're actually aiming at serious character development, ongoing narrative and intricated plot lines, just wait until the show airs and is just nonsense plots, standalone episodes, cliche stereotypes and nonsense "humor"

the more we learn about this thing the more it reeks of fail, kudus for a black April though, maybe now people finally learn that she doesn't have to be a redhead all the time and in fact she wasn't always one to begin with...

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

You seem to believe they're actually aiming at serious character development, ongoing narrative and intricated plot lines, just wait until the show airs and is just nonsense plots, standalone episodes, cliche stereotypes and nonsense "humor"

..

Why do you think there's going to be no plotlines, ongoing continuity, etc? The show looks to be a traditional action cartoon, it'll probably have the same type of narrative the Nick cartoon had.

*myconius* · 11-02-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Leolead

I completely agree. I don't like what they're doing with Leo at all. Just sounds like change for the sake of change.

it's the New 52 for TMNT.

in a way i'm kind of glad in this direction they are taking with the show.
it's going to be a lot easier on my wallet not feeling compelled to stream new episodes or buy the dvd releases.

*IndigoErth* · 11-02-2017, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The show is gonna suck because April is black and Raph might temporarily lead the team?

I don't think so. Depends entirely on the writing and execution.

Speculation... But I appreciate the belief that this thing will 'right' itself.

Is April confirmed, or are we just assuming that too? I mean... there isn't any kind of rule that an actor has to match their character in that regard. Though a black April might be cool to see. (Though after the teen April, well, any of her big fans that were wanting something again more like previous series... Welcome to the same boat.) However she turns out, I do at least hope she's an adult again, but not going to hold my breath.

*CyberCubed* · 11-02-2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Is April confirmed, or are we just assuming that too? I mean... there isn't any kind of rule that an actor has to match their character in that regard. Though a black April might be cool to see. (Though after the teen April, well, any of her big fans that were wanting something again more like previous series... Welcome to the same boat.) However she turns out, I do at least hope she's an adult again, but not going to hold my breath.

Yeah, the article and VA says she'll be playing the first African American April O'Neil.

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IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,285	Not even just the leader thing as I was saying... More simply put, it sounds like their changing his personality, the very nature of who he is, or at least that's how it reads to me, which is kind of depressing, and, to me, not fair to him. (It's a little like the rather thoughtless recast of Knoxville all over again because hey, it's just Leo, who cares...) Can he have the occasional rebellious moment? Sure, esp if there is build up to it that makes sense. Just as in 2003 he can have an angry period, or lose confidence for while there or elsewhere, and so on. But have his personality based on being a Raph-like younger rebellious sibling... Wtf. Even PD didn't screw with this part, however not-well it was written. Keep hoping for it Cubed, I do hope your right, but, you know... speculation. If true though, why take Leo's older brother status away, it seems so pointless unless the did it to make a point. Or as a jab at him, though I'd hope not. (God, I feel kind of like 2012 Raph fans insisting that the creators hate him. Is that what this is going to be?)

11-02-2017, 09:43 PM	#1526
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,117	We're going to see a Leonardo who grows into becoming the leader rather than just being the leader from the start. Makes perfect sense. Raph also still has his hot-head personality and they said Leonardo is rebellious so they will fight as usual and eventually it'll probably lead to Raph stepping down and letting Leo lead the team. I'm willing to bet this will be a plotline running through Season 1. Then Leo will begin to lead by the finale and into Season 2. The Nick cartoon did the same thing with various plotlines, they took entire seasons to run their course.

11-02-2017, 09:58 PM	#1532
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,117	As I said before, when the Nick show was first coming out in 2012 and the news of Leonardo being slightly nerdy and liking a Space Heroes sci-fi show people were freaking out, and then it turned out perfectly fine when the episodes aired. People were also making a big deal out of a taller Splinter for the first time, and Nick's Splinter turned out to be one of the most popular incarnations. I'm sure it'll be similar here. Leonardo will of course still have his role as always, it's not like all the Turtles always listen to the leader in any episodes of any cartoon. The Turtles all do their own thing half the time.

11-02-2017, 10:16 PM	#1534
DestronMirage22 Yukipedia Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 1,723	So much news regarding this new show. Some pretty dumb changes made just for the sake of change, but I was already expecting the worst so they don’t really surprise me. I figured this show was gonna suck, and so far there’s been nothing to convince me otherwise. At least there’s still IDW. Geez, I miss Mirage.

11-02-2017, 10:17 PM	#1535
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,117	The show is gonna suck because April is black and Raph might temporarily lead the team? I don't think so. Depends entirely on the writing and execution.