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Old 08-31-2019, 01:45 PM   #1
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Joker Review Thread

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Reviews for "Joker", which was screened at the Venice Film festival are now hitting the web! I'll get us started, but feel free to share more!

The film is a hit!

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/joker/

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Bold, devastating and utterly beautiful, Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix have not just reimagined one of the most iconic villains in cinema history, but reimagined the comic book movie itself.

https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london...-a4225396.html


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/re...review-1235309


https://variety.com/2019/film/review...ps-1203317033/


http://collider.com/joker-review-vid...witter/#images


And here is a rather negative review:

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/j...ie-review-2019

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Old 08-31-2019, 01:56 PM   #2
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So pumped for this and glad its being well received
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:06 PM   #3
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IGN gave it a 10.

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Old 08-31-2019, 02:24 PM   #4
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To think we have people calling the film a waste of time because it is not in the DCEU, or comparing Joaquins version of the character to SilentPool/BarakaPool.

This looks to be a game changer....

But be careful, I may have just read a mindblowing spoiler from a review linked to rotten tomatoes. I'll try and provide a link, but I'm a bit scared to go back and check if it's really a spoiler, tbh.
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:43 PM   #5
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:49 PM   #6
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Yup. This film is going to make a lot of money.
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:52 PM   #7
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Interesting. I've only seen negative reviews thus far, albeit only a couple.

And as Andrew predicted, it is indeed an "Important Political Movie", right down to Joker's antics inspiring the common rabble to don clown masks and carry "Kill The Rich!" signs.

Looks like it's going to be tough to discuss this one while staying within the rules.
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Old 08-31-2019, 08:21 PM   #8
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Is there a reason given for this taking place in 1981? I assumed 2019,but what significance is that year to what they want to do with the 1940 created character?
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Old 08-31-2019, 08:25 PM   #9
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Is there a reason given for this taking place in 1981? I assumed 2019,but what significance is that year to what they want to do with the 1940 created character?
The King of Comedy came out in 1981 and Robert De Niro is in the movie.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:45 AM   #10
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I'm super late in giving my thoughts but hey, I'm living up to my name, lol. I watched this movie twice so that tells you that I really enjoyed it. I really felt for this version of the character though it was hard to tell which scenes were all in his head besides the ones involving his love interest, obviously. Some theorized that the entire movie was all in his head except the very end scene.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:24 AM   #11
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One thing I do get sick of is the familial or poetic connection that film makers put into movies thinking it will make things somehow more artistic. It's become a trope.

"The villain knows the heroes secret ID because it makes it more personal". "The villains actions actually catalyze the murder that creates Batman". "The villain and the hero are lifelong friends who cry together at the end of the movie before one of them dies". "The villain is the father figure to the hero to create drama"

It's become a trope and a cliche, especially in superhero movies. That's also part of the reason why Ledger's Joker was so good. He was just there. And Batman had to stop him.
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Old 10-23-2019, 03:43 AM   #12
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Joker's dip in the chemicals was always a solid and present part of his past. Everything else was not. It contrasts with Bruce's background, where everything is known and expanded upon to the point that there are no secrets with him. It makes sense that his antithesis would be a mystery.

I don't think it makes him scarier to be unknown, though. I think it makes it more difficult to empathize with him, though. That's important, since it keeps the Joker pure. Any redemption arcs or tear jerking back stories are typically lies he's using to manipulate or delusions he's using to justify his behavior.
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The cinematographer tries to clarify one of the things people are speculating and debating about, giving a conclusive answer from the perspective of the people who made the film. Spoilers, obviously.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/jo...84505/#respond

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As I theorized, the filmmakers tried to present Arthur only killing people who had "done him wrong" before the end, therefore he spared Sophia.


What I find entertaining and annoying are the people in the Comments who see fit to argue with the people who made the film about what actually happened. I'm all for leaving some things open for interpretation, BUT, I'm also really big on taking what filmmakers say they intended at face value. If a person says, "I/We made this thing, and what I intended was This," it's kind of arrogant for another person to insist otherwise. Like there's "interpretation" and then there's Facts, y'know?

Anyway. For better or worse it looks like we have an official answer on how that scene was intended to be received. Whether a person agrees with it or not is their own prerogative, of course, but I choose to take them at their word.
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What I find entertaining and annoying are the people in the Comments who see fit to argue with the people who made the film about what actually happened. I'm all for leaving some things open for interpretation, BUT, I'm also really big on taking what filmmakers say they intended at face value. If a person says, "I/We made this thing, and what I intended was This," it's kind of arrogant for another person to insist otherwise. Like there's "interpretation" and then there's Facts, y'know?
Like TMNT (2007).

Kevin Munroe, writer/director of the film: "It takes place after the old movies and is in the same universe. Period."

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