02-08-2017, 03:16 PM | #81 | |
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This clown brought up the word "canon" and I just went with it. So maybe she doesn't know when the proper use is of the word. Anyways... |
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02-08-2017, 03:51 PM | #82 |
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I don't think you actually do understand what canon means in this context.
The argument is whether or not TMNT 2007 takes place in the same universe as the original live action trilogy, picking up where they left off a number of years later. That is what the film was intended to be, according to its writer/director, Kevin Munroe. You say that it is canon, yet not a part of that universe. That's an oxymoron, it can't be both. It either is, or isn't directly tied to those movies (& it was supposed to be, whether or not we agree or like that notion). You seem to think that canon means it simply exists, but of course it does, all TMNT iterations do. It's not a matter of discrediting it as being an official entry in TMNT history, the discussion is about its validity as a pseudo-sequel to a pre-existing series.
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02-08-2017, 03:55 PM | #83 |
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Right, but I didn't even bring "canon" into this. Candy kappa did.
So there's that. I just went along with it. I guess maybe I wasn't specific enough, but what I meant man... is a CGI film can't be grouped together with live action movies. It might have the same continuity or whatever, but they are different. I just separate them. 14 year gap, 0 Eastman involvement and computer movie opposed to an "actual" movie. For me they are different. I guess the context I was stating canon wasn't making much sense, but I never brought that word into it. Like I said. Thanks for the reply poweder. Your artwork is insanely good as always. |
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And I think people would have loved a TMNT movie that literally took you back to the 90's, retro soundtrack and all. Quote:
Anyways, Munroe also once said this in an interview: --- AV: How does your film fit into the Turtles universe? For instance, is it more of a continuation to the first three films, or the latest TV series? KM: You know, it’s funny. There’s so much you can do. There’s so much in the Turtles’ past, as far as adventures and stuff. So, when we first started, we were trying to find what we were going to say – what was going to be lore and what wasn’t, for the movie. At the end of the day, we realized, “Let’s just make the whole thing lore.” Basically, they’ve lived all these adventures, and they’ve defeated all these villains. Now they find themselves without direction, because they don’t have a common enemy to fight anymore. The movie became more about a rebirth of the heroes, instead of an origin story. --- Source: http://animatedviews.com/2007/direct...unroe-on-tmnt/ Last edited by ToTheNines; 02-09-2017 at 03:52 AM. |
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02-09-2017, 08:44 AM | #85 | |
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While the 2007 is canon I've never considered it part of the original movies as so much as acting as a reboot of them. To me the 2007 film takes place in a different canon. Apart from the bit at the end where it shows trophies from the previous three movies the 2007 movie never sold me on it being a fourth movie. I mean from memory it includes the Purple Dragon gang at one point to satisfy the 4Kids generation. Clearly it's not part of that universe but it does try to lean that way. For the 2007 movie to feel as though it was the fourth movie it needed to convince me more it was a sequel and not just a reboot because apart from a throwaway scene at the end nothing about it screams sequel. The film itself is called 'TMNT' which means it's the first in a new series. |
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02-09-2017, 08:47 AM | #86 |
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I guess it's just easiest for me to think of the CGI Turtles as being different, though they likely experienced many of the same events as the Turtles from the live movies. Hence the trophies you see from the first three movies.
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02-09-2017, 08:53 AM | #87 |
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The trophy room scene? There are more references to Mirage than anything else.
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02-09-2017, 03:53 PM | #88 |
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I used to, with the trophy scene. But no longer. I also used to like the film. But, once again, no longer.
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02-11-2017, 06:27 AM | #89 |
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It should be. The same with Next Mutation. All set following the original film trilogy.
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02-11-2017, 10:49 AM | #91 |
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I always figured that TMNT 2007 replaces Next Mutation in the continuity.
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But I still say that they're incompatible continuities. One or the other can be "part 4", but not both. |
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02-15-2017, 12:30 PM | #94 |
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Or rather they are both part 4 (two alternate takes on part 4). But, neither is part 5 to the other's part 4.
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That is, unless between TNM and TMNT 2007 Venus left and all the Turtles' shells and costumes went back to normal... possible, but that's pretty messy business and definitely not the intent. Though it would have been pretty funny if there was, like, Vam Mi's heart, Bonesteel's coat or the Dragonlord's helmet in the trophy scene in TMNT 2007.
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02-15-2017, 03:57 PM | #96 |
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If they're the same, 2007 can declare why April isn't in Next Mutation.
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02-17-2017, 10:00 PM | #98 |
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The last official word came from Peter Laird, he said it wasn't.
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02-17-2017, 10:47 PM | #99 |
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LOL wow.
From my perspective, I like to see it from the multiverse perspective. The First three TMNT movies are their own. Next mutation was disowned, but now reowned. And I'd say thats the closest to TMNT 4. TMNT 2007 is its own continuity. Now, if they decided to do a proper reboot and make it a quadrilogy, they should started with the shredder. BUT they decided not to because of the 2003 cartoon series. They wanted everyone to have some sort of connection - old fans and new fans, so they disperse a bunch easter eggs or references, so that its unclear. Could you imagine the first three films redone in the imagi style? I think that would have been pretty awesome, I liked the imagi version of the turtles. |
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