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I think they should at least attempt a PG-13 for the next movie. I mean, what's to lose? It can kinda show where more of the fanbase lies, in the kiddy corner or the adult table.
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Hey, you should send this interview to Dan over at the official site.
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and about the turtle skilling Shredder yeah we can argue the semantics of it. I imagine your reffering to the fact that Shredder died on his own in TMNT 2 but you have to remember that the film is not a direct sequel but it does say that certain events from all of their continuites ranging from the original movies to the original comics have all happened. as it stands its implied that it was the turtles that got rid of the Shredder, as stated during the opening narration and the fact that Karai wants revenge on them for his death. granted it could go either way in the sequel but its implied that things did not happen exactly the way they did in the previous films, thus my 'the turtles offed the Shredder' observation Quote:
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You're quite right, I have no point. It's perfectly sensible to have Wolverine attacking his opponents with peperoni sticks for claws, to chew bubblegum instead of puffing cigars, or to have the Punisher switch to SuperSoakers and just "imply" his killing (or have viewers come up with a fanfiction to say, "Don't you see! He must have killed in that scene! You can tell because he would've!") rather than showing anything.
It's not like killing has ever been part of the Ninja Turtles' source material or anything, and we all know filtering/censoring source material to fit a toy market and toddlers (and to make sure not to make any country angry, anywhere) can only be for the best.
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Okay. I hear ya. But, the Ninja Turtles have never done anything ninja-esque at all on-screen. Likely, they never will. It's worse business sense than the anti-classic-'toon policy Peter Laird supposedly has. I'd like to see it done too, but unless someone has the gaul to set a precedent (which would probably be a completely out-of-pocket venture), we'll never see any more than we have in a motion picture format.
P.S. - I really complicate things by refusing to call the classic 'toon 'the OT'. But, doesn't it seem a tad disrespectful to call it a synonym for 'Off-Topic'? O_o That's how I see it.
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Very nice interview.
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And I hear what you're saying, Andrew too. There are so many incarnations of the turtle empire it can be downright schizophrenic! What, we've got old toons, new toons, 4 different movies, Archie comics, Image comics, Tales, and Mirage - all with slight variations on the same theme. Geez, within Mirage you have different artists/writers coming in giving different books their own perspective on the boys. The movies have, for the most part, been a softer version of the turtles. It wouldn't be bad to have a movie that catered more to the Mirage incarnation. |
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Okay-- Jungle scene-- guy with machetti faces off with Leo-- Leo draws katana-- both charge eachother-- cut to scene of canopy of trees, birds suddenly startled into flight, and the cry of a human as he is attacked-- NOT tied up and left for humiliation. Meanwhile, back in the Battle Nexus, Gen (from Usagi Yojimbo) faces off with some random "person"-- they charge each other in the time-honored tradition (of films)-- SLICE/SLICE-- Both are standing (Gen in foreground, opponent with back to camera behind)-- then the opponent falls to his knees before he is magicked away by the Daimyo's healers. Sorry, folks, but I do NOT need to see the fat bully's intestines spilling from his freshly opened obese belly. I do NOT need to see blood and gore and detail to know that someone has (as my friend Chris would say during our long ago D&D games) bitten the big Cinnamon Cookie. Kids are not stupid. The kids in my class who saw the film KNEW that Leo offed that guy in the jungle, and they didn't need to see it played out frame by frame. Meanwhile, yet another ****ing gorefest has been unleashed upon the public-- I am speaking of "Hostel 2"-- and frankly, remembering the FIRST COMIC of TMNT, Shredder died OFF CAMERA!!!! You did NOT see his body parts blown all over the damn page. "Innuendo" is NOT Italian for anal sex. And the movie-going public-- even FIFTH GRADERS FROM South Central-- are NOT clueless.
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"Innuendo" Good one. Having the violence happen off-camera is a Mirage tradition. E&L even spoke of doing that in some interview...somewhere .....can't remember where I read it. Maybe Eastman's Artobiography? There were exceptions to that rule, of course, but it seems there was an effort not to indulge in too much, oh, what was Dan Berger's phrase? "Adolescent" bloodshed. ~GW This forum loves me so much it keeps reposting my mssg....
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It's also interesting to compare Kevin's original layouts for the Bodycount story, where virtually all of the crazy violence happened off-panel. It was all Simon Bisley's doing that it all ended up on-panel.
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Oh, and Raph-- I'm sorry I got caught up in the debate here before saying this:
Great interview! I love Munroe's casual mention of a "third installment". What a tease! Unless he actually knows something we don't...... Anyway, good job! ~GW
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With this kind of logic, we don't even need any PG-13 or R-rated movies. All the killing and action can just be off-screen, as any child clearly can just figure out exactly what happens in-between scenes. Quote:
I'm not a big fan of the current wave of "Torture Porn" (ala, Hostel, Touristas, Saw, etc.), but I don't see any correlation between it and either what TMNT is in any incarnation or what it should be.
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Really not a big fan of Bodycount, but just reading it you get a big sense of Eastman & Bisley just balling out and having a hell of a time together on it. Most of it is a nonsense plot, with very graphic violence just for the sake of very graphic violence.
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It's mostly because people don't seem the grasp that a TMNT movie can actually have blood and swearing without excessive. They can't seem to grasp the idea that people getting killed/sliced up during a ninja fight isn't the same as excessive blood and gore and people's heads getting chopped off left and right. No, we don't need to see Raph gut someone, he's never gutted anyone in the comics. But he does, you know, actually stab people.
The Turtles actually.... USE their weapons. Leo doesn't use his swords just to block hits or cut other things. He cuts people. Same with Raph. Don and Mikey use their weapons to hurt people. Not trip them up with pizzas to the face or whatever. The Foot themselves are out to kill the turtles, and aren't supposed to trip all over themselves. In fact if you really look at the Bay movies... the Turtles throwing tankers around and shoulder ramming the Foot is yet another way to get around having them actually cut them up. But hey, we can have dick jokes, fart jokes and Megan Fox bending over to make it more adult.... right? And I do like Andrew's Wolverine example. It's a perfect example. His stories can be somewhat bloody to extremely excessive depending on the writer, but you just can't, CAN'T put him in a live action movie, and not expect him to actually use his blades on people. Hell, the X-Men movies have done an excellent job showing him hack and stab people with minimum blood. All I'm saying is if you got guys running around with swords and other sharp objects, let them use them. Don't make it a gorefest, in fact, please don't, but if you want things taken seriously, a little blood won't hurt. Much like Tim Burton opened everyone's eyes that Batman wasn't just silly slapstick and cartoon bombs, which led to the awesome Animated Series, which also paved the way for awesome DC animated movies.... I'm sure once someone has the balls to finally do a TMNT movie with the kids gloves off, it'll open a whole new audience to people that want to see these turtles kick some ass.
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