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It's not kid-oriented that is the problem. It's that they need to get the Transformers formula out of their heads. They tried it with GI: Joe. That didn't work. Now they tried it with TMNT. It's the wrong formula. In fact, trying to whittle down successful movies to a formula is what gets us into this mess, but Hollywood has done that practically since the beginning, so what can you do?
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01-18-2017, 01:28 AM | #22 |
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Also they'll continue to use CG for the Turtles instead of costumes. Its amazing how good the costumes for the Turtles/Splinter still look in both this movie and the second movie.
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CGI should be used as a seasoning rather than the whole meal especially when live action is involved.
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I would VERY MUCH get behind a TMNT movie that utilizes cgi the way this did:
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I can't believe that's already 8 years old.
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And look how good the SFX still look.
When it comes to CGI, less is more.
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True. And while I get that muscled skin suits are a little different than fur suits, I can't believe it's not way more cost effective to do in 2017 than it was in 1990. They don't even need to worry about animatronics beyond maybe, maybe some basic brow movement. Even with that, they could just Dot up the faces of the practical Turtle heads, then CGI map it to actors' face movements later.
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Hollywood is just lazy. They have little desire to actually build physical objects.
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I would like it to be, but I don't think it will. Like Powder said, it's not possible to top Henson/Mirage.
That's not strictly true. You'd be surprised how many Hollywood movies use practical effects, miniatures, etc as well as CGI. A lot of them still turn out to be terrible movies though, but the effort is still there
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Wait, what does Henson have to do with Mirage?
A lot of room for improvement.
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01-19-2017, 10:14 AM | #34 |
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Sure they build sets to some degree but let's face it, a lot of movies have crap loads of CGI.
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Ask Powder. I don't think they meant they were the same. The 1990 movie took details from Mirage and had Henson effects is what they were saying I believe.
A lot do, but a lot also build things practically. Some use CGI for everything while others don't use CGI at all.
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So I'm not wrong. Hollywood is still lazy. Moreso now than ever.
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Here's some examples of movies made in the last 20 years or so that used practical effects. That's certainly one way to look at it. Creating matte paintings is still more work than using a CG background though, I'd imagine.
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I’m not sure why people think CGI is lazy. You don’t just feed your footage into a computer, push the big red button, and go play golf for the rest of the day.
As for topping TMNT 1990… it won’t happen in this climate. As some people have already said, it would take some passion for both TMNT and filmmaking. I don’t think Steve Barron was necessarily the biggest Turtles fan in the world, but he was definitely tuned into the style, and he knew what he wanted to make and how to do it. Nowadays, movies aren’t made by directors; they’re made by studio executives. For the most part, directors don’t have a lot of power under the current system, and that’s deliberate. Have you ever wondered why they keep hiring indi directors with one or two films under their belt, and let them direct 200 million dollar tent-pole movies? Because they don’t have any power, or influence, and they’ll do as they’re told or get their asses handed to them. I don’t think you can make a better movie than TMNT 1990 without a clear vision, and someone who is allowed to make decisions based on what is best for the film, rather than the concerns of toymakers, network execs, and angry nerds.
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For me, CGI has its place. It can be a very useful tool and can look amazing when done well. If something absolutely cannot be achieved practically or within the movie's budget, then use CGI. If it can be done practically and within the budget, then do it practically.
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