RISE and FALL - The countdown to cancellation. - Page 4

newfan · 04-15-2018, 04:40 PM

The 2018 threads seem to be merging in conversation.

We don't even know Mona will be in it (do we?)
Anwyay, we all know Shredder will get the romance this time

Just kidding, I agree with Indigo, I don't see much of this happening in this series, I'd not care for that change if it were to happen either.

*Shark_Blade* · 04-15-2018, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Because Leonardo and not Raphael painted the Mona Lisa

Underrated post.

*IndigoErth* · 04-15-2018, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by newfan

Anwyay, we all know Shredder will get the romance this time

Hey, why not. How about a mad woman with a fetish for super villeins that won't leave him alone.

An equally aggressive match determined to make him hers.

*CyberCubed* · 04-18-2018, 04:51 PM

The only real reason Rise may not last that long is with Toys R Us going out of business (and by the time the show starts in September, they'll likely all be gone), is all the new toys from Playmates are going to have a much smaller market now. All they really have is Walmart and Target now and a few minor stores, but the end of Toys R US is a huge blow to toymakers.

A lot of the TMNT cartoons success rides on toy sales, and this will be the first cartoon that goes on the air after Toys R Us is gone.

*miru* · 05-25-2018, 07:05 PM

Three seasons. But after that? Will it even be remembered? Even in a negative light?

*CyberCubed* · 05-25-2018, 08:32 PM

Nobody knows till it airs.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-25-2018, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The only real reason Rise may not last that long is with Toys R Us going out of business (and by the time the show starts in September, they'll likely all be gone), is all the new toys from Playmates are going to have a much smaller market now. All they really have is Walmart and Target now and a few minor stores, but the end of Toys R US is a huge blow to toymakers.

A lot of the TMNT cartoons success rides on toy sales, and this will be the first cartoon that goes on the air after Toys R Us is gone.

Smaller toy market... shorter and cheaper shows.

Seems to all check out.

frank_one · 05-26-2018, 12:05 AM

Are we sure that without Toys R Us around the amount of toys sold across the world will decrease? You know, I'm not an economist or something. One toy seller is gone, but the market is still there, I mean, the people who are in need of toys and who potentially will buy toys are still there. Maybe the other toy selling companies will just take and share that piece of the market Toys R Us has left.

*Utrommaniac* · 05-26-2018, 12:23 AM

There are plenty of other places besides Toys R Us to buy toys. At this point, it's just about anywhere. If it's a shopping center with a kid's section, they're bound to be there. There's also the online market.

With how much Toys R Us had been down the tubes for years before its closure, I don't think sales from there will affect too much.

frank_one · 05-26-2018, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

A lot of the TMNT cartoons success rides on toy sales, and this will be the first cartoon that goes on the air after Toys R Us is gone.

Is selling toys STILL so relevant like it was in the 80's and 00's?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 05-26-2018, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

"Why do they have magic powers? I don't care if ninjas in Japanese folklore have magic powers, turtles must have no powers!"

I think the idea of magic is the biggest issue. But it seems the turtles will not have any superpowers, just use magic weapons except for Donatello.

*IndigoErth* · 05-26-2018, 11:43 AM

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

If the "powers" are just in the weapons... Not big on powers as a whole series concept, but whatever. Don't go giving the TMNT actual powers because ninjas in folklore have only fabled "powers" that aren't real; the TMNT's should be likewise based on trickery and skill, only looking like magic to their foes.

As for the toys, well... here's to hoping that KB Toys jumps in with a great plan and can pull off a win, stepping up in to the void TRU will leave behind. And I hope can come through like TRU did when I could not find things at Walmart and Target's more limited selection.

Sounds like they may also put some focus on adult collectors too, not just the kiddies and kid stuff, so that's awesome.

*victory_angel* · 05-26-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

If the "powers" are just in the weapons... Not big on powers as a whole series concept, but whatever. Don't go giving the TMNT actual powers because ninjas in folklore have only fabled "powers" that aren't real; the TMNT's should be likewise based on trickery and skill, only looking like magic to their foes.

As for the toys, well... here's to hoping that KB Toys jumps in with a great plan and can pull off a win, stepping up in to the void TRU will leave behind. And I hope can come through like TRU did when I could not find things at Walmart and Target's more limited selection.

Sounds like they may also put some focus on adult collectors too, not just the kiddies and kid stuff, so that's awesome.

Or Donnie would be the last one to really develop powers because he is the intellectual of the group. Yes in this version he will be into Sci-fi, but even then he would still be rigid in what is considered tangible in his mind. Where as 4Kids Donnie was the first to really start developing his chi paths.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 05-26-2018, 12:20 PM

If the turtles use powers, Donatello should be like when Han Solo from Star Wars doesn't believe in the Force.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-29-2018, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

If the "powers" are just in the weapons... Not big on powers as a whole series concept, but whatever. Don't go giving the TMNT actual powers because ninjas in folklore have only fabled "powers" that aren't real; the TMNT's should be likewise based on trickery and skill, only looking like magic to their foes.

As for the toys, well... here's to hoping that KB Toys jumps in with a great plan and can pull off a win, stepping up in to the void TRU will leave behind. And I hope can come through like TRU did when I could not find things at Walmart and Target's more limited selection.

Sounds like they may also put some focus on adult collectors too, not just the kiddies and kid stuff, so that's awesome.

Actually the ninja in folklore were supposed to have actual supernatural powers, such as the kuji-kiri hand signals. While it was trickery in real life, on the folklore and legends themselves the powers were supposed to be real. And it gets pretty silly when you say ninja a on the turtles world can't use magic, when most tmnt incarnations have the foot mystics. Trying to say the turtles wouldn't usE those abilities, especially when we saw splinter using such powers in mirage as early as the gosei hattori story, saying the turtles can't use ninja magic is silly.

*Shiro Kame* · 06-02-2018, 01:59 AM

Gonna have to wait until the first episode airs before making a calculated guess. At least it doesn't look like it'll be TTG's brand of stupidity and laziness.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-02-2018, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

Combined with our knowledge of who Donatello is, and what he usually believes in.

*Coola Yagami* · 06-02-2018, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Hey, why not. How about a mad woman with a fetish for super villeins that won't leave him alone.

An equally aggressive match determined to make him hers.

Dude..... like why not?

*IndigoErth* · 06-02-2018, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Actually the ninja in folklore were supposed to have actual supernatural powers, such as the kuji-kiri hand signals. While it was trickery in real life, on the folklore and legends themselves the powers were supposed to be real. And it gets pretty silly when you say ninja a on the turtles world can't use magic, when most tmnt incarnations have the foot mystics. Trying to say the turtles wouldn't usE those abilities, especially when we saw splinter using such powers in mirage as early as the gosei hattori story, saying the turtles can't use ninja magic is silly.

Silly? Uh, no.

I believe it is more of a matter that we prefer different angles on it... indulging in folklore vs exploring the use of trickery that created said folklore. You want them magical (I guess?), while I'd rather they only trick their enemies into thinking they are (thus instilling fear and uncertainty and throwing them off balance). C'est la vie.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 06-02-2018, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Silly? Uh, no.

I believe it is more of a matter that we prefer different angles on it... indulging in folklore vs exploring the use of trickery that created said folklore. You want them magical (I guess?), while I'd rather they only trick their enemies into thinking they are (thus instilling fear and uncertainty and throwing them off balance). C'est la vie.

This! It's a tactic that Batman uses as well.

04-15-2018, 04:40 PM	#61
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 1,447	The 2018 threads seem to be merging in conversation. We don't even know Mona will be in it (do we?) Anwyay, we all know Shredder will get the romance this time Just kidding, I agree with Indigo, I don't see much of this happening in this series, I'd not care for that change if it were to happen either. Last edited by newfan; 04-15-2018 at 05:12 PM.

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Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Back in Texas Posts: 4,527	There are plenty of other places besides Toys R Us to buy toys. At this point, it's just about anywhere. If it's a shopping center with a kid's section, they're bound to be there. There's also the online market. With how much Toys R Us had been down the tubes for years before its closure, I don't think sales from there will affect too much. __________________ OH LAWD HE COMIN' To my DeviantArt

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04-18-2018, 04:51 PM	#64
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 34,300	The only real reason Rise may not last that long is with Toys R Us going out of business (and by the time the show starts in September, they'll likely all be gone), is all the new toys from Playmates are going to have a much smaller market now. All they really have is Walmart and Target now and a few minor stores, but the end of Toys R US is a huge blow to toymakers. A lot of the TMNT cartoons success rides on toy sales, and this will be the first cartoon that goes on the air after Toys R Us is gone.

05-25-2018, 07:05 PM	#65
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,721	Three seasons. But after that? Will it even be remembered? Even in a negative light?

05-25-2018, 08:32 PM	#66
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 34,300	Nobody knows till it airs.

05-26-2018, 12:05 AM	#68
frank_one Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 491	Are we sure that without Toys R Us around the amount of toys sold across the world will decrease? You know, I'm not an economist or something. One toy seller is gone, but the market is still there, I mean, the people who are in need of toys and who potentially will buy toys are still there. Maybe the other toy selling companies will just take and share that piece of the market Toys R Us has left.

05-26-2018, 11:43 AM	#72
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 9,878	Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing? If the "powers" are just in the weapons... Not big on powers as a whole series concept, but whatever. Don't go giving the TMNT actual powers because ninjas in folklore have only fabled "powers" that aren't real; the TMNT's should be likewise based on trickery and skill, only looking like magic to their foes. As for the toys, well... here's to hoping that KB Toys jumps in with a great plan and can pull off a win, stepping up in to the void TRU will leave behind. And I hope can come through like TRU did when I could not find things at Walmart and Target's more limited selection. Sounds like they may also put some focus on adult collectors too, not just the kiddies and kid stuff, so that's awesome.