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Old 11-03-2017, 01:42 PM   #101
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Her character design is one of the reasons why I stopped reading Image Comics back when they were running monthly.
What about Radical's design? In a black and white comic, it looks like she's basically running around, flying around completely naked.

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Old 11-03-2017, 01:49 PM   #102
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What about Radical's design? In a black and white comic, it looks like she's basically running around, flying around completely naked.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3181/2...bb5bee95_b.jpg
I'm sure she's completely naked under that full-coverage body suit.

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Old 11-03-2017, 02:15 PM   #103
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I'm sure she's completely naked under that full-coverage body suit.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...nd_Radical.jpg
Well underneath our clothes aren't we all naked?
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:16 PM   #104
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Well underneath our clothes aren't we all naked?
....sometimes.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:21 PM   #105
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Why? Why not leave Karai as his superior, as always intended?
You'll have to forgive not being familiar with her as a superior...

Seriously? I do like that idea more. Though, sad to say, given marketing, I can see why it hasn't been a thing in the TMNT stuff I'm more familiar with...
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:28 PM   #106
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... I would totally pimp one of those female Shredder cosplays... That might need to be my next cosplay now...
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Old 11-04-2017, 12:00 AM   #107
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I was about to say, THAT'S OROKU PIMIKO!!!! WOOHOO!!!! Andrew, Powder, and I are not the only fans of the one true daughter of Oroku Saki!

Seriously, are there only like 3 people who care about Pimiko? And want Karai to lose the "Oroku" surname and go back to being an independent badass?
Hey, you guys arenít the only ones.
Iíve always liked Pimiko and wanted to see her appear in another version. I liked the relationship that was starting between her and Raph, and I would love to see another version of her actually get to interact with her father (thereíd definitely be some interesting conflict there).
(Also, am I the only one who actually sorta likes her costume? Yeah, itís pretty ridiculous and over-the-top, but this was the 90ís after all)

As for Karai, she was definitely a much more interesting character in Mirage than Shredder ever was. And she absolutely rocked in City At War.
Itís a shame that every version since then has made her into Shredderís underling, when itís quite the opposite.
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Old 11-04-2017, 03:16 AM   #108
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Not sure, if I am keen on this idea.
How about creating some new characters instead changing the old ones?
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:30 AM   #109
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I've read up a little on the original and various versions so far but I didn't realise karai was a superior and also older than Shredder, course if that's how people got to know her I can see why they'd like that still, I don't think I would like Karai too old. I've read about her being a high ranking foot member, Shredders adoptive daughter and I think even adopted granddaughter (I guess he was very old in whatever version that was)

I didn't realise Shredder had a real daughter, did they decide just to mix the 2 characters so came up with a younger Karai who was not a true daughter?

So, Shredder was killed early in Mirage, was he? When did he first make a come back as the main villain?

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Old 11-04-2017, 04:47 AM   #110
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Shredder was killled off in the very first issue.
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Old 11-04-2017, 05:04 AM   #111
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Shredder was killled off in the very first issue.
He must have made a good impression in that case
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I've read up a little on the original and various versions so far but I didn't realise karai was a superior and also older than Shredder, course if that's how people got to know her I can see why they'd like that still, I don't think I would like Karai too old. I've read about her being a high ranking foot member, Shredders adoptive daughter and I think even adopted granddaughter (I guess he was very old in whatever version that was)

I didn't realise Shredder had a real daughter, did they decide just to mix the 2 characters so came up with a younger Karai who was not a true daughter?

So, Shredder was killed early in Mirage, was he? When did he first make a come back as the main villain?
Mirage doesn't have a "main villain."
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Mirage doesn't have a "main villain."
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Old 01-02-2018, 12:07 PM   #114
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The actual Shredder never appeared after issue 1, only his clones in the famous Return to New York volumes. It was the Original Cartoon that made him a regular.

The closest thing I'd consider to a main villain in Mirage tmnt is Savanti Romero but even he doesn't fully qualify for that role.

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The biggest villains were the censors. What they could do without being held back is my question. Shredder could've done more than blow up the Channel Six building. I don't mean as far as murdering Splinter, but think of the possibilities if censors were not an issue. Shredder and Krang combined had the biggest arsenal of any villains in all of the cartoons.

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Old 01-02-2018, 12:16 PM   #115
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All the Mirage characters were one-shots or short lived, or immediately became allies:

1. Shredder dies in the first issue. His clones come for 2 arcs and then die.

2. Baxter was originally just a one-shot character in issue 2 with the Mousers. Then Volume 2 brought him back as a cyborg and then that was pretty much the end of him besides a cameo in Volume 4.

3. Rat King is killed off in his first issue, he then becomes a spiritual ghost in a few follow up issues.

4. Karai is only a villain for like half an issue where she fights Leonardo, she quickly forms a truce with the Turtles and never bothers them again.

5. Leatherhead again immediately befriended the Turtles in his first issue. He appears a lot more times but always as a hero besides when his temper makes him attack the Turtles.

6. The Utroms were always good, there was no Krang, they immediately befriend the Turtles and then return to their home planet. There is a small evil sect of Utroms in the second Tales but only for a few issues.

7. The Triceratons have their arc in Turtles in Space, we see them briefly in Volume 2 and Tales, but then in Volume 4 they're pretty much allies.


The closest Mirage had to a recurring villain was Savanti Romero. He constantly showed up with evil schemes over and over again and Renet had to ally with the Turtles to stop him.

Besides that all the other bad guys in Mirage are just generic gangsters, random aliens, some monsters, or robots. Just one-shot characters defeated in a single issue.
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The OT, in fact the OT cemented almost everything (most of us)we like about the turtles.
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The OT, in fact the OT cemented almost everything (most of us)we like about the turtles.
Sorry was that in response to my question? I deleted it sorry.

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So when did Shredder first become a main villain? The OT or another comic series? I could google dates of when other comics started but it's easier to ask seen as I'm here.
Well he debuted in the very first TMNT issue so he was basically viewed as the main villain even if he died off. The Foot Clan then clone Shredder to bring him back to life, and the Shredder clone (and we see the reject clones, that's where the 4-armed Shredder, the small one, and the one with lobster claws that both the Nick and 4kids series used) come from as well.

The original cartoon is what established Shredder as a main villain, then of course based Krang off the designs of the Utroms and went from there.

Keep in mind this all happened close together. The first Mirage TMNT comic came out in 1984, the original cartoon started in 1987 only three years later. Since Shredder was tied to Hamato Yoshi and Splinter's backstory, as well as the leader of the Foot Clan, it made sense to use him as the main villain for the cartoons.
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Depends on whether you see it as canon or not, but the shogun from tmnt Odyssey could be a main villain since "he was there all along".
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Shredder and the Foot debut in issue 1 of Mirage:



It's pretty funny how closely Fred Wolf Shredder's design is to the Mirage comic one, only difference is they gave him a cape and made him wear grey rather than red.

The helmet and gauntlets are identical.
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