Gina Carano suing Disney, courtesy of Elon Musk

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Which means it violates the law.

Well, seen you've been banned for something, so you may not get to see this. But different countries, different laws. We have minimum notify periods and layoff payments here. In many US states, you have "at will" hiring and firing, so you can be gone the same day with no notice or severence other than a cardboard box on your desk for your things (yes, that "stereotypical" Hollywood film exit does really happen) and security escorting you to the door. It's normally part of the company wide policy to follow when you are hired, much the same as don't steal their stuff, don't spend all day on social media, and don't spend too long on toilet breaks.

[Barkworm]

Sumac has been banned for his use of derogatory slurs and continued harassment of other members after having been warned several times.

[Zulithe]

Getting yourself banned over Gina Carano... imagine.

[Aaronardo]

Something's different. The clouds... they're parting?

Anyway, this is all posturing on Musk's part. Just intended to rile up people. There's no real case here for wrongful termination because Gina was never fired. She was hired on a production-by-production basis and Disney simply did not contract her for another performance, therefore nothing was ever "terminated" (barring an understood unwritten partnership between her, as an actress playing a recurring character, and Lucasfilm -- good luck getting that to hold weight in court).

If she really wanted to sue over this, she would've any time within the last three years. Hell, she might've better luck winning a case against the United Talent Agency for dropping her back then. But if it's against Disney, then more outrage, more eyes, more clicks!

Plus, Musk made subtle indications he wants to make Disney a new plaything so this may be his first public step toward that.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

continued harassment of other members

Are we sure we're using that word correctly?

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Well, seen you've been banned for something, so you may not get to see this. But different countries, different laws. We have minimum notify periods and layoff payments here. In many US states, you have "at will" hiring and firing, so you can be gone the same day with no notice or severence other than a cardboard box on your desk for your things (yes, that "stereotypical" Hollywood film exit does really happen) and security escorting you to the door. It's normally part of the company wide policy to follow when you are hired, much the same as don't steal their stuff, don't spend all day on social media, and don't spend too long on toilet breaks.

"At will" is not what you think it is. Even with At will employment you have to have a valid reason to fire someone and you still cant violate contracts. Its also illegal to defame someone when it comes to employment which is a *very* easy thing to sue for in the USA (legally businesses normally will only tell you if someone worked for them but not how well they did their job). If she was contracted for XYZ thing and they released her for no reason she def has a case. I dont know all the details, just wanting to point that out.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by sdp

All the apologists can seethe all they want, but I can't take seriously a fat woman in an action series. Deep down fatties know what they are and how society feels about them.

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That's weird because you had a bear-poking avatar here for a year about fat black April with a statement that "finally you were represented!". But Carano goes against your general worldviews so she's a fat, unbelievable protagonist.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

"At will" is not what you think it is. Even with At will employment you have to have a valid reason to fire someone and you still cant violate contracts. Its also illegal to defame someone when it comes to employment which is a *very* easy thing to sue for in the USA (legally businesses normally will only tell you if someone worked for them but not how well they did their job). If she was contracted for XYZ thing and they released her for no reason she def has a case. I dont know all the details, just wanting to point that out.

Well, valid reasons are ******** (know someone let go in an “at will” state for nothing more than we need to downsize) and Gina wasn’t contracted at the time. Disney just chose not to renew it for season three. She was also warned about her social media posts and didn’t back off. For the comments previous about Pedro (it’s been so long since this was a hot thing, I had to remind myself) and his anti Trump, anti right wing stuff, he was warned too and backed off. But people quite likely don’t realise that.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Well, valid reasons are ******** (know someone let go in an “at will” state for nothing more than we need to downsize) and Gina wasn’t contracted at the time. Disney just chose not to renew it for season three. She was also warned about her social media posts and didn’t back off. For the comments previous about Pedro (it’s been so long since this was a hot thing, I had to remind myself) and his anti Trump, anti right wing stuff, he was warned too and backed off. But people quite likely don’t realise that.

Well just like elections have outcomes, these court cases will have outcomes. Armchair quarterbacking it won't change that. So I'll be very curious to see where this goes.

I can't quarterback Carano's entire situation, but personally, I think that it is very clear that there were years of witch-hunts and that people were persecuted across society for going against the neo-liberal POV. I think that's so clear that this happened society-wide that only a life-angry, people-persecuting liberal would deny that statement.

[robertfiduciary]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Imagine the life these guys have. Imagine a variety of life-deficits, but then imagine having several of them all at once. Including so much inner-doubt that you convince yourself you are a hero fighting "the evil". Or even worse, doing it while pretending to be virtuous but knowing the entire time that you are actually sewing hate. And then, when you run out of arguments, stand there and make a hideous screaming noise or like our guy above - just call people "names".

That was yesterday. And yet today! Today you say:

"...a life-angry, people persecuting liberal..."

That's... that's a name, right? I mean, you're calling people who disagree with you "names."

And I probably don't understand your highbrow, deep thoughts.

You know, being a "life-angry, people persecuting liberal" and all.

I feel like you're so, so close to realizing that "the call is coming from inside the house." Which is to say, everything you rail against seems to be exactly what you're doing.

Every. Day.

Which is fine, and all. I mean, your call to live your life like that.

Have you ever thought of running for political office, IMJ? You would make a great precinct delegate, I bet. It's easy to get on the ballot (the two times I've served, I literally had to fill out one form), and it would be a solid way to get plugged in to your local party, meet people who agree with you, and actually do something "real" with all your passion for the topic at hand.

Google something like "how to become precinct delegate (your city)," and you should be able to find what you would need.

Seeing your name on a ballot (the same one as the actual President of the United States) is a trip. And we've met some amazing, amazing people over the years doing the actual work of knocking on doors, canvassing, phone banking... it's awesome.

And you would be good at it. As long as, you know.

You stop calling people names .

Liberal Love,

Rob

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by robertfiduciary

That was yesterday. And yet today! Today you say:

"...a life-angry, people persecuting liberal..."

That's... that's a name, right? I mean, you're calling people who disagree with you "names."

And I probably don't understand your highbrow, deep thoughts.

You know, being a "life-angry, people persecuting liberal" and all.

I feel like you're so, so close to realizing that "the call is coming from inside the house." Which is to say, everything you rail against seems to be exactly what you're doing.

Every. Day.

Which is fine, and all. I mean, your call to live your life like that.

Have you ever thought of running for political office, IMJ? You would make a great precinct delegate, I bet. It's easy to get on the ballot (the two times I've served, I literally had to fill out one form), and it would be a solid way to get plugged in to your local party, meet people who agree with you, and actually do something "real" with all your passion for the topic at hand.

Google something like "how to become precinct delegate (your city)," and you should be able to find what you would need.

Seeing your name on a ballot (the same one as the actual President of the United States) is a trip. And we've met some amazing, amazing people over the years doing the actual work of knocking on doors, canvassing, phone banking... it's awesome.

And you would be good at it. As long as, you know.

You stop calling people names .

Liberal Love,

Rob

You are twisting facts. I am presenting reasons and rationale for your pathetic behavior and belief systems. The pattern does in fact indicate that you are the "life angry" looking for an outlet via witch hunt. Basically analogous to children on a playground angry at someone else's toy.

You are completely FOS and as usual my words carry more weight because they are routinely on point while your points rely on twisting words and meaning.

It's really that simple and more often than not the interactions conform to that pattern. Nice try, though.

[Andrew NDB]

Isn't that the guy that said his parents left him stock in Disney?

[robertfiduciary]

My partner's Grandmother left him his.

Mine came from owning Marvel stock for a long time.

When Disney bought them out, it was all transferred over.

And I stand by what I said, IMJ.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Isn't that the guy that said his parents left him stock in Disney?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

You seem a bit ignorant of body types as it relates to muscle mass (which, let's be honest, isn't super surprising with you). Was she super lean in UFC? Yes. But in recent years it looks like she's focused more on straight up weight-lifting than cardio-based stuff. Has she put on a bit of fat? Sure.

But compare, like, Stallone in Rocky IV vs. Rambo IV. Is Stallone FAT in Rambo IV? Of course not. He's just got a ton of muscle, just without a ton of "cut" to it.





Like really, Stallone was the biggest we've ever seen him in Rambo 4. He's just not remotely "cut" in it.

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

If she really wanted to sue over this, she would've any time within the last three years. Hell, she might've better luck winning a case against the United Talent Agency for dropping her back then. But if it's against Disney, then more outrage, more eyes, more clicks!

You're assuming she had the money to sue Disney. And suing Disney isn't like... your neighbor borrowed your lawnmower and never gave it back, now you're suing. You'd need major league dollars to go against their team of lawyers. And while I don't think Carano is hurting for money I don't believe she would be in any way up to the task, solo. And Disney would have known this, of course.

I mean, she could have started to sue Disney. But their lawyers can drag things on and on and on and on. And even if eventually she were to win, where does the money to keep it going on her end come from?

[XERO]

Damn, Disney stay getting people banned on here, isn't it?

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I think that it is very clear that there were years of witch-hunts and that people were persecuted across society for going against the neo-liberal POV.

Or it might be because for years people have gotten away with saying a pile of ****** things in general, and suddenly they are finding out there are consequences to them as society as a mass pushes back against it. But, but, muh razism and hate attacks, I'm allowed to say it, free speech, I'm being censored!

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's not really what "she" is doing or the way these things work. Disney will say "no," then she will demonstrate damages by her lost income for her not being on season 3, "Rangers of the New Republic," and maybe even the Mandalorian movie, then Disney will come back with X amount to settle, then that's that and things are mostly amicable. OR Disney can say, "Well hey, how about we bring you back in X, X, and X to make things right?" but they'll never do that because that would mean publicly betraying the wackjobs they were trying to appease to begin with.

You didnt even read the first article you linked, you just linked it and went on about your business

"Carano brings claims for wrongful discharge and sex discrimination. She seeks a court order that would force Lucasfilm to recast her and at least $75,000, plus punitive damages."

It says it right there that she's trying to force her way back onto television. That's from the first article.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

You didnt even read the first article you linked, you just linked it and went on about your business

"Carano brings claims for wrongful discharge and sex discrimination. She seeks a court order that would force Lucasfilm to recast her and at least $75,000, plus punitive damages."

It says it right there that she's trying to force her way back onto television. That's from the first article.

Right. That's how this works. Then they come back and try to settle rather than do that, which is never going to happen.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You're assuming she had the money to sue Disney. And suing Disney isn't like... your neighbor borrowed your lawnmower and never gave it back, now you're suing. You'd need major league dollars to go against their team of lawyers. And while I don't think Carano is hurting for money I don't believe she would be in any way up to the task, solo. And Disney would have known this, of course.

I mean, she could have started to sue Disney. But their lawyers can drag things on and on and on and on. And even if eventually she were to win, where does the money to keep it going on her end come from?

You're right. But, this is true regardless of Elon/Twitter money (which, full disclosure, is bleeding out already). Disney's legal team requires no introduction no matter who's on the other end, and with Elon's backing, the case will get a little farther than it would with solo Carano. But with such a nonstarter case like this, it'll stall just the same. She might as well have sued back then.

Contrast with Scarlett Johansson's case against the company in 2021. Big discrepancy in net worth, yes, but the real difference is she had an actual case. Disney's actions plainly breached contract, and their lawyers knew it. That's why it was settled out of court just two months after the filing.

I believe Carano could've held on for two months plus a few more, but she knows such a case has no legs. Hence the three year gap until a time that happens to align with Elon showing a vague interest in Disney.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

He means the younger snowflake generation who don’t want to use “him” or “her” and use they instead , or identify as non binary etc.

ah yes, wanting to be called how you identify makes you a snowflake. got it. well, i'd rebut Sumac, but she's banned.