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Old 09-15-2018, 02:28 PM   #21
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So far, it seems like you need very specific ooze to reincarnate. Either consumed (in the case of Saki and his previous incarnations) or injection (in the case of the Hamato family). So long as it gets inside you. And even the little bit that Hob got when he tried to make off with Raphael was enough to mutate him.

(But...not heal his eye? I guess it wasn't healing serum, which you'd think he'd try to get a hold of. If the stuff can grow a man's leg back, I'm sure it can do the same for an eye.)
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Old 09-17-2018, 06:04 PM   #22
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And Iím sure Hobís bias against human-born Mutants will come back to bite him one day. Like maybe Dreadmon starts a group of formerly-human-Mutants to oppose Hob? That would be a great turn for Dreadmon, and keep up with a "cat vs dog" element to things.

Maybe Stryacodons could be introduced as reincarnated Neutrinos?

EDIT: Someone else suggested Mondo and Hermanís personalities were due to their owners.

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Old 10-01-2018, 05:14 PM   #23
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Spengler and Duke have it right.

And yes, it is the most confusing and (to me at least) frustrating part of our mythos.
That's kind of good though. It makes things more variable and complex, and presents the "science" as something you have to actually put some time/thought/effort into and not just something that happens in 5 minutes.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:51 PM   #24
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To me, it seems there are different categories of mutants. There's the mutants who were once non-human animals, physically speaking of course, like:
-Splinter & the Turtles (reincarnated, yes, but started off
as a rat and turtles in their new lives)
-The Mutanimals sans Seymour
-Alopex
-Koya & Bludgeon
-Leatherhead
-Zodi & Krisa
-All the flyborgs (then partially roboticized)
-Wingnut, Screwloose, and the other experiments from
Stockgen

Then there are mutants who started life as humans:
-Bebop & Rocksteady
-Dreadmon
-Ocho
Bebop & Rocksteady are so rediculously invulnerable that I wonder if the rhino/warthog thing is just superficial and the real power comes from something else. After all, when they were mutated, they were given a list of animals they could choose from to become. If they had chosen a squirrel they would have probably been just as powerful as they became.

Then there are those who use the ooze/mutagen but I don't know if they can be considered mutants:
-Anchovy
-Shredder/Tatsuo
-Kitsune (almost definitely not)
-Gang of Four (probably not)
-Hun
-the Utroms in general
-Seymour
-John O'Neil
With this list, I guess if one is just using the ooze maybe they aren't mutants, but using the mutagen makes you a mutant.

I think the mutants who were humans have the edge cuz it seems the animal appearance is just that, an appearance (maybe not fully, like with Rocksteady and his horn) and their strength come from something else, whereas the mutants who weren't human seem to have the strength based on the kind of animal they are. With some training they become powerful in their own right.
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:09 PM   #25
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-The Mutanimals sans Seymour
Seymour is a bit of an oddity, but I wouldn't exclude him from this list.

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-All the flyborgs (then partially roboticized)
I'd still love to learn how Baxter creates the organic components for those!

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-Ocho
Not a mutant.

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Bebop & Rocksteady are so rediculously invulnerable that I wonder if the rhino/warthog thing is just superficial and the real power comes from something else. After all, when they were mutated, they were given a list of animals they could choose from to become. If they had chosen a squirrel they would have probably been just as powerful as they became.
Hey, don't you read Marvel Comics? If anything, squirrel mutants are even more ridiculously overpowered!
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:46 PM   #26
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Seymour is a bit of an oddity, but I wouldn't exclude him from this
I didn't. I put him in the third list of characters who don't fit the human/non-human lists.
As far as Ocho goes, I'm kinda skeptical cuz of Kitsune's connection to Krang around those time periods. So you never know.
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I didn't. I put him in the third list of characters who don't fit the human/non-human lists.
I was originally going to say that I think he could be some sort of genetic chimera, and maybe he is. His skull is more animal than human, and his organs, well... Most animals' organs resemble each others', so who knows. He looks more animal than human to me at any rate.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:26 PM   #28
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The mutagen basically does whatever the writers want it to do. This has been the case in any TMNT universe/series ever.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:02 PM   #29
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Yeah, Ocho is specifically a Yokai.


Also, they never really specify what the Utroms were doing with ooze in IDW. Besides as a "necessity for life and technology", but that's pretty vague. They're never depicted to actually USE it. Their walkers seem to be running on some other kind of power, and the ooze for stasis had to have some radical messing about with in order to work like it did.
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Yeah, Ocho is specifically a Yokai.
The thought just occurred to me, Ocho is pretty much the TMNT equivalent of Juggernaut: a powerhouse and something other than a mutant, mystical in nature, but everyone mistakes her for one in and out of universe, and it's conceivable that she could one day be adapted as such to make things simpler.

I wonder where Wyrm would fall on that list, too...
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Also, they never really specify what the Utroms were doing with ooze in IDW. Besides as a "necessity for life and technology", but that's pretty vague.
I wish that stuff was real though . Cure every disease and mental/physical issue and stay alive for millions of years.(unless time passes differently in Dimension X)
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Old 04-02-2019, 09:03 PM   #32
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I'm pretty sure time passes differently in Dimension X; Bobby's confirmed something along those lines too. I also think something was wonky with early trans-dimensional portals

(I can very much buy Utroms living for a few hundred years, maybe a thousand or if they're set on meeting their great-great-great grandchildren, but never millions)
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:04 PM   #33
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I wonder where Wyrm would fall on that list, too...
I forgot about Wyrm. I guess the non-human animal list, but the hive mind thing makes it different from the usual. I wonder if we'll see Wyrm again in this series.
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