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Yes, I do think its under-appreciated | 107 | 88.43% | |
No, it has enough credit/meh I dont care for it | 14 | 11.57% | |
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02-27-2016, 10:33 AM | #21 |
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I think the reason for that was because some contract had ended or something had happened with the channel that aired it, either way they still could've aired the rest but they must've been too lazy like the guys who created the DVDs
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02-27-2016, 11:36 AM | #22 | |
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I think you're also forgetting the anime craze was huge in the U.S. at the time, especially with Pokemon, DBZ, and Yu-gi-oh. Most American cartoons were overshadowed by anime's popularity at the time. |
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02-27-2016, 11:48 AM | #23 |
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What happened with TMNT'03 is always baffling to me.
It's like, when it was airing, people were excited for it, but some were not even aware that it was existing. And as soon as it was over, a lot of people have forgotten that this show even existed in the first place. The same thing had happened with TMNT'07, but not to that capacity. It's like some people went into black out, regarding TMNT stuff, between 1998 and 2012. Which is quite disappointing to me, since I consider TMNT'03 to be the best TMNT series and basically a possible template for what TMNT series and stories should be (of course, it goes for the first 4 seasons only). As for the reasons...I dunno, maybe it was hard to accept for some people, after original series...or maybe it was not marketed enough. I guess, in the end, it was just too different from people expectations of what TMNT series should be, which in a pop-culture, have been formed by the original cartoon, and hence why TMNT'12 is such a massive success / better known. |
02-27-2016, 02:09 PM | #24 |
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I think once the interest for a USA cartoon in a non-English speaking country declines the series stops soon airing in that country since no company is interested in spending money in dubbing more episodes. Sometimes, subtitles can save a series from cancellation.
In Sweden, the 1987 TMNT cartoon aired for five seasons with season 1-3 + Vacation in Europe dubbed, seasons 4-5 with subtitles (which was probably to get more new episodes faster). 2003 cartoon. The 2003 TMNT cartoon aired for 3 or 4 seasons. The new still airs. All series are still remembered, 2003 is remembered as a "failed 2003 attempt to restart TMNT". A very few Mirage comics have been published in many countries so it isn't easy to know it's more like the original. During the 1990's we had 1970's nostalgia and during the early 2000's we had 1980's nostalgia. Now it's the 2010's and we have 1990's nostalgia. Beyond 2020, early 2000's nostalgia will kick in so if TMNT is still around then there's a chance the series will get more publicity (and maybe a new TMNT cartoon more 2003-based). |
02-27-2016, 07:00 PM | #25 |
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Think about this, during the 80's and 90's the Turtles where huge, and kids only thought about them, but then the kids grew up, they reached that age where anything cartoon was for little kids and no one cared about them, that was during the 2000's, then 2010's came, they grew up, they got kids of their own and the stigma of "cartoons are for kids" died out, so a TMNT show on TV during this time was perfect, the parents that grew up during the original boom wanted to remember those days, to share them with a new generation.
I'm sure we'll see the same patern emerge for this generation, they'll grow up, they won't care for cartoons anymore so a new TMNT show will be ignored, but then they'll grow up, they'll have kids, they'll share their childhood with them and a new TMNT show will be popular again.
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02-27-2016, 11:10 PM | #26 | ||
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Volume four comes out and there is interest and a buzz, not huge but it's there. I agree it wasn't the most successful volume (much less comic series), and it loses it's way at around issue 12 but whatever. My point is it reinvigorated the franchise that 2k3 carried over until it's cancelation. Now it's not as popular as 87 or 2k12, but that doesn't mean its unappreciated. Besides, its my opinion, and opinions don't always make sense.
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02-27-2016, 11:14 PM | #27 |
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I was one of those original kids from the 80's who loved the original cartoon, movies, etc....and became a teenager when the 2k3 series was airing.
I was 16, or just turned 17, back in 2003 when the show started. As a teenager the show was everything I wanted, and I felt like the Turtles finally had a serious action show on par with Batman: TAS, etc. A lot of you are forgetting the original fanbase like myself were teenagers when the 2k3 series was airing, so for those of us still interested in the franchise we watched it seriously. Some other teenagers were probably in the, "I need to outgrow cartoons" phase and for that reason didn't watch it. Damn, I was only 15 when Volume 4 started in 2001. Jesus Christ I am getting old. |
02-28-2016, 08:41 AM | #28 |
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Definitely. I haven't seen much of the Nick show - maybe ten episodes at most - but the 2K3 series definitely seems like the more powerful and impressive of the two in terms of story and development. Even when FF and BttS are taken into account. Overall it certainly is as well-writen as B:TAS is.
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02-28-2016, 09:36 AM | #29 | |
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I think that nowadays, cartoons simply aren't as important for kids as they were back in the 80s-90s. I mean, obviously kids still watch them, but back then kids had to wake up early on weekends to be able to watch their favourite cartoons. Nowadays there's TV networks airing cartoon series 24/7. And there's so many animated series nowadays and each doesn't last that long aside from some exceptions, so it's hard for a cartoon series to hit big and hog all the spotlight for a few years like the 87 toon did back in the day.
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02-28-2016, 11:03 AM | #30 | |
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02-28-2016, 11:47 AM | #31 | |
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Also, there's only ONE true tv network that airs cartoons 24/7 and that's Boomerang. Nicktoons and Disney XD air live action shows, and CN and Nick share their channels with Adult Swim and Nick at Nite. Sorry, it's just a little pet peeve of mine when people claim there are so many channels that air cartoons 24/7 when there's only 1(at least here in the States). And then there's the fact that the channels that do air cartoons all day are content with just airing one show all day(I'm looking at you Teen Titans Go and Spongebob). |
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02-28-2016, 03:22 PM | #32 |
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I watched some (action) cartoons in secreet around the age of 12 and I hated it (not the cartoons, but having to hide something that had so obvious to do just one year ago or so)! I felt like someone watched me from outside, and every 5th minute or so I felt I needed to check out noone was watching me through the windows. Sometimes I did channel-switching short in case someone watched. Same with comics (and some other books), used to hide them deep within wardrobes from friends if they were new (if they were dated some years earlier was OK because that was when we were younger).
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02-28-2016, 05:30 PM | #33 |
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It's hard to appreciate it as much tbh...
Casey was a useless moron (everytime he's on screen is a waste of time). Shredder was a lame ass alien brain, ew. Their sewer was too stylized and sci-fi farfetched. Too much magic, too much planetary space-travelling, Raph sounded like a 50 years old chainsmoker instead of a teenager... and so much more. I absolutely adore their Usagi Yojimbo though. they nailed it perfectly. |
02-28-2016, 05:33 PM | #34 | |
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02-28-2016, 08:25 PM | #35 | ||
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Shredder being a Utrom is something some fans just cannot accept. I understand. It was hard for me to accept at first, but I eventually got over it. The Lair being all sci-fi? True, but why did you let that detriment your enjoyment of the show? Same for Raph's voice. Planetary space-travelling? That kind of stuff has always been common in TMNT. |
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02-28-2016, 10:19 PM | #36 | |
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Then you have stuff like Adult Swim and Nick@Nite. Nick@Nite is okay if a little "George Lopez" heavy, but Adult Swim sucks outside of Venture Bros., Rick & Morty, Bob's Burgers, King of the Hill, Toonami, and Mike Tyson Mysteries. Last edited by TurtleGuy; 02-28-2016 at 10:57 PM. |
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02-28-2016, 10:39 PM | #37 |
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I thought Bob's Burgers was a Fox show?
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02-28-2016, 10:56 PM | #38 |
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02-29-2016, 12:48 AM | #39 |
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This is probably the only forum I've been on where people consider a show that went on for 156 episodes, 7 seasons and a DTV movie and say it was "overlooked."
The way people talk you would think the 2k3 series got canceled in like two seasons or something or only made 26-52 episodes like how other cartoons get canceled early. The show literally made over 150 episodes. Only 40ish eps less than the original cartoon did. That's a damn big achievement. |
02-29-2016, 01:07 AM | #40 |
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^^I'd have to agree with you there. And I'd say 2/3 of those episodes were good/ enjoyable enough for me to re-watch. Can't say the same for the 87 series.
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