07-12-2014, 08:19 AM | #121 |
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I certainly wouldn't care down the line if they had a black April at all. It would be something different, and it could work if her dad was white and her mom was black, which would still give her the O'Neil surname.
And awesome drawings, BT and DE. Those are great.
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I always thought this chick from the EnVogue video Hold On looked a lot like April from the cartoon, regardless of her skin color. Maybe it was the hair style or her eyes. Still though, I thought she looked more like April than Judith Hoag did when I was a kid.
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April have only been depicted as ginger in the Imagi movie, 4Kids, if her hair color in BttS is her real hair color compared to what she had prior to the previous seasons, IDW and Nick toon.
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Previously she was always brunette as seen in Mirage, OT and Archie. Movies too. |
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April's hair color in 4Kids was not a real hair color, it wasn't until the Imagi movie the designs in the show reflected the movie, giving April a more natural hair color.
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I never liked those characters, they don't act like real people, and most of the time they never seem to reflect that not every person who isn't straight have the same views regarding their sexuality. Plus these writers seem to be wanting to make a ton of LGBT characters (judging by your remark on 'upping the gay quota') merely to be counter-cultural and progressive, even though it seems to be creating resentment. I'm wondering if it isn't because people don't like the idea of LGBT characters, but because it might be coming off as being too pushy and preachy on the idea of 'diversity.' |
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Eh, it's kind of a difficult question to answer because there's not really a set way that a gay person acts. Some are camp, some are not camp. Some have lots of partners, some don't - just like straight people. I don't think it's as much that they have a chip on their shoulder, they're just more aware of certain issues because they have to deal with their effects on a regular basis.
Sorry if that's not a very good answer - hopefully someone else can chime in and pick up the slack; I'm not in a very good headspace today so my response probably isn't as concise as it usually would have been. I think a fair chunk of the people who are complaining about comics being more inclusive are mainly made up of the group who never really have anything positive to say about any types of changes in comics as a medium. If it were up to them, comic books wouldn't have changed since the 1940's - it'd just be the straight, white boy's club. I think it's pretty sad that for a bunch of people who grew up reading Xmen stories, Superman stories - basically, tales about accepting people for their differences and treating people decently and fighting injustice and wrongdoing - they throw a snit fit over this kind of thing. It's like the point went right over their heads. Not saying that everyone's like that so please don't take offense anybody - some people have perfectly valid arguments for not liking certain approaches towards inclusivity (e.g. Leo656 has covered his views quite well) - but it does feel like the empty can rattles the most sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Sure, nobody likes being preached to - I know I sure don't - but it just comes off sometimes like the boys' club that doesn't want to let anybody else into the treehouse, y'know? Anyway, sorry if this has come off sounding like I'm a bit full of it - as I said, I'm not really on my game today.
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This is what artificially curly hair that was popular in the eighties looks like. Had this been what Eastman was going for, April's hair would have looked more like Judith Hoag's in the first film, or like April's when she's drawn by Michael Dooney. April's hair the way Eastman and others drew it is not just curly but kinky: it's the sort of hair that has been specifically associated with Black people for centuries, and while it's not impossible for Eastman, Laird, or whomever, to have given her that hair while still intending her to be seen as white, it's unlikely. Add to that the fact that Eastman's April also has notably full lips--another feature associated with people of African descent--and darker skin than most white people tend to sport in comics, and the chances that Eastman intended his version of April to be seen as white plummets. ...which isn't to say that April needed to sport all of these things in order to be convincingly depicted as Black. There is no one single "black look": April could have looked like Troian Bellisario and still have been just as Black as if she'd looked like Lupita Nyong'o.
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EDIT: We've hashed this debate in the Forums many times before. This thread actually cites some memories of interviews from E&L regarding their disagreement over April's original ethnicity: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=31810 So yeah... Eastman claims he thought of early April as black while Laird thought of her as white. And they clearly disagreed on the real story after 20 years.
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No, this is what her first entrance in issue 4 looks like:
And this is what she looked like in issue 2:
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Oh I remember those now! I'd forgotten. I recalled the curly do, but thought it was natural. So yeah makes sense for her to be white. If she were black "perm" would have a different meaning.
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07-13-2014, 10:38 PM | #139 |
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Mirage April was always ugly looking, she looked like a dog.
Thankfully the cartoons/movies/archie/IDW comics all made her a lot cuter and pleasing to the eye. |
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April isn't black or white... She's a drawing.
As for this: http://media.tumblr.com/ccffd6b46235...8gl1qmks9t.jpg Yeah, there were tons of white girls who looked exactly like this in the 80s. Hair and all. There's really no evidence that April was ever intended to be black, beyond some crappy artwork that could be seen either way and Kevin Eastman's random tall tales a few years ago back when he was in his major "Cool Uncle" mode and was saying anything and everything to seem hip and connected to the franchise. These days he's more normal. And there's really no point in making April black. Randomly changing her ethnicity doesn't add anything to the character and serves no point. And if the point is to make a "strong black character" then you need to create one, not randomly change the color of someone. That's just lazy. And the only medium this would likely ever happen in is film and it seems unlikely that's going to happen anytime soon. So this is just an excessive discussion in nothingness. |
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