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Mammorh was no help, but not a threat like most of the Pantheon. Yet Leonardo seems to have picked up something. Rst King ate a rat? He has been watching Norman Osborne for too long. Yes, gross and shows he is off his rocker. It's just in most iteraruins despite being a human Rat King considers himself a rat so it does not feel right for that move.
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Mousers vs The Rat King! I wish the 1987 cartoon did something like this. It has been practically screaming to be done for decades now. So Hun is an ally or what? Arnold Sr. has been an afterthought ever since #54.
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The Mousers will probably intervene at a crucial point in the fight next issue. Hun is muscle for the Purple Dragons while he works at rebuilding the bond with his son. Pretty much his only purpose for existing right now, which is why I see a heroic sacrifice in his future. |
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06-07-2018, 03:00 PM | #24 |
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The Foot Clan (or Purple Dragons) generally dominate over every other gang that shows up in the series. As I said it happened to The Savate, The Ghost Boys, the clan in the Karai mini, The Street Phantoms, Lupo and his gang, the New Jersey gang from the previous issue, etc. It's generally just to show us over and over that the Foot Clan/Purple Dragons will consistently wipe out any other gang that shows up in the series. They're basically all fodder, and that's why it feels like the same thing over and over.
Unless Bishop/EPF decide to directly attack Splinter/The Foot, there really is nobody to challenge them. I guess we could see a big change when Karai finally gets back to New York (which is taking a long time, lol), but until then not much will change. And besides that Null's stuff seems like it takes place in an entirely separate bubble, with the Mutanimals just being allies of the Turtles and wanting to stop her. |
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He's eaten rats a bunch of times. I think three, maybe? It's always pretty gross though...
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I wonder why he does it? Are they just really tasty?
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06-08-2018, 07:18 PM | #28 |
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Rats and mice are known cannibals, so it makes sense.
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06-08-2018, 08:27 PM | #29 |
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It also emphasizes his chaotic nature
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06-09-2018, 01:29 PM | #30 |
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IDW's Rat King is a bit of a mystery, to this day I have no idea what he's trying to accomplish.
We know Kitsune has a clear objective to ressurrect Shredder as her father the Dragon Lord, but Rat King just seems to cause chaos and mayhem without any real motive. Although I guess that's the point of him as that's his role in the Patheon, just like Toad Baron just likes making extravagant parties with food and have a ball. |
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"Chaos for the sake of chaos" isn't really a villain motivation I particularly like, personally. It just seems like it was made by a middle school edgelord creating their first OC. (Zaheer from Legend of Korra is an exception, though.)
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I was not initially crazy about the visual design for the IDW Rat King (I miss the bandages and the red hair!), but I have really been enjoying him as a character. I agree that "the point" of him is that he creates chaos and anarchy. I also have liked the development the Pantheon has received over the past few issues. The existence of the gateways to the other members (present at least with Toad Baron and Manmoth) seems to indicate that each has a designated area/lair? If so, where are the gateways for Kitsune and Rat King?
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This issue was great! I still want to see the Triceratons come back, but Manmoth is a really fun character to watch.
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They're back in September. Plus there was the Lost Causes two parter in Universe.
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Oh god, do I agree. I've called him a Villain Sue in the past. But I also think Ch'rell's problems are worsened when compared to the other Utroms who are supposedly beacons of Peace and Goodness.
I've had lots of ideas on what could have made him a better character. The turtles never really learn Ch'rell's side of his turmoil with the Utroms, besides Karai saying that "they have chased him his entire life". And I go back for the fourth or fifth time going back to this thing describing what could have been a better outcome for his character. The thing about 2003 TMNT is that it absolutely insists on having black and white moralities with no gray area even in the face of tragic backstories (Baxter Stockman's for instance). Which is why I'm looking forward to Ch'rell in IDW. Because unlike his original counterpart, he's set up off the bat as being capable of love in a way that the other wasn't. He's a war hero to his people rather than a criminal; that's probably how he got a scar taking up a quarter of his face. He adores his leader to the point of complete distress if something were to happen. His sister loves him in a way that forced her to make the painful decision between keeping him in stasis indefinitely or sending him to prison should he be released (there's also probably the ill preparation to explain the Krang situation, but then Kleve just slapped it on him without so much as giving him a chance to take a breath first coming out of stasis); hopefully he'll love her more than he'll hate her decisions on his behalf. Besides, that would be a nice parallel with the turtles going to four separate corners by the end of the next story arch. He's only spoken two lines so far, and he's already leagues more interesting than 2003 Ch'rell, who just screamed and pontificated about how "He's The Best" and "I Will Rule The World, Worms!" I sometimes think about how things would have changed if, say, Ch'rell loved Karai as much as Splinter loved the turtles? What kind of spot would that put Leonardo in with all his desperation to turn Karai to their side? I have a lot of feelings about how 2003 Ch'rell could have been better...
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I disagree; I thought Ch'rell had enough backstory. He was imprisoned by his own people, and he blamed them for his being marooned on a technologically backwards planet. He didn't care about the Turtles, he didn't care about the Foot, all he ever wanted was to get back to the stars and punish his own species for locking him up.
Isn't that enough? Not every villain needs to have the pathos or tragic backstory of a Baxter Stockman. Heath Ledger's Joker was arguably one of the most successful villains in a comic book movie, and he didn't have a single shred of legitimate backstory or consistent motivation. If done well, it can work.
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I agree. Honestly, at this point it's almost a cliche in of itself to require every villain to have a tragic or sympathetic backstory. Sometimes it's nice to have someone just be evil and that's it.
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