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Old 01-07-2017, 11:45 PM   #21
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Cleaner designs for the Turtles would have helped out.

But beyond that, I can't see anything else that could have helped the first film.
Better writing perhaps?
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:13 AM   #22
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Better writing perhaps?
Can we really say that OOTS had better writing than the first film?
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:41 AM   #23
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If anything, I thought the writing was worse.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:51 PM   #24
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Imo it feels like these writers don't juggle different parts of a story all that well.

First film gave a lot of focus to the underlying story, but the Turtles lost out a lot.

Second film reversed it while they focus on giving the Turtles a lot more attention like they should (and I like this one better because of that), but the main plot falls very weak and seems clearly rushed half way through.

They can do okay/better on one thing, but not the entire thing...
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Old 01-08-2017, 11:27 PM   #25
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The first film had a horrendous plot but there was at least a slow setup. The second didn't really have a plot, it had sub-plots that were randomly thrown in as they go. Which proves that the writers of these films not only care less about lore (2014) but care less about telling a coherent story (OotS).
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:38 AM   #26
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Don't be presumptuous. Movies are written at three stages: pre-production, principal photography, and post-production. It's not uncommon for the actual screenplays (at least not the credited ones) to be M.I.A. from the latter two stages, not by choice either. In other words, don't blame the writers, blame the producers, directors, and even sometimes the editors.

To be fair, there is a major difference between plot and story. Fight Club doesn't really have a plot until the last act. Up until then, it is character beats and tiny subplots. The Dark Knight is mostly character beats, subplots, and short-term story beats, all "randomly thrown in as they go." Plot is nothing more than another word for a longline. It's the crap you read at the back of a DVD box.
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Old 01-09-2017, 10:47 AM   #27
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At what point is the novelization of it written though? While there is a little that is different, it largely follows along at the same exact pace, building it up pretty good at first then once the Turtles have to run off to Brazil everything gets disappointingly rushed; quickly hitting different points in the plot to seemingly hurry up and get to the end. (Although [spoiler alert] they never defeat anyone in the book, they meet the police on the street - the end.)

Someone had to have handed the, er, novelizer, a screenplay that looked and felt largely the same, no? Leaving it probably unaffected by last minute editing decisions? (And maybe why it excludes the 'boss fight,' so to speak?)

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Old 01-09-2017, 05:32 PM   #28
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If something in the finished film doesn't work, point your fingers to the person/people who have the most control on the film, which in this case was probably Platinum Dunes, but could be a studio exec, as well. It is not so simple as to lay the blame on the writers. For the most part, the writers are the bottom of the barrel for the above the line crew and it's not very common for a writer to get carte blanche to do what they want and in this case, I doubt the director had final cut.

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Old 02-11-2017, 06:40 AM   #29
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I think Oots should've been released in August like its predecessor as opposed to June, maybe that would've made it more successful.
It was during the 2016 Olympic Summer Games in Brazil. No good time for film release.
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1st film like OOTS ?
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