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Old 02-04-2018, 05:11 AM   #1
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The problem people seem to have with RotTMNT

... is like, mentally really they're treating it as if they're coming off season 1 (Fred Wolf), season 2 (4kids), and season 3 (2012 Nick) of some giant series of Breaking Bad and they're upset that season 4 (Rise of the TMNT) looks so very different than anything before it. And maybe it's systemic of "casual fans" but...

Stop doing that. If you're above the age of 30 you no longer have any vote in the latest children's cartoon. You don't. The last two seasons of the 2012 Nick show (in which Raph wasn't the "leader" and no one had magic weapons) tanked in the ratings (i.e., all these 30+ year old fans watching diligently did squat) so guess what... Nick is trying something new... for the next generation of little kids.

It's not a jab. It's reality. What else should they do? The same thing again? Throw good money after bad? Little kids are pretty simple. Number of little kids' TMNT cartoons made to float by it's devoted 30+ year old audience: 0. You don't matter. Hopefully you're along for the ride (is what I'm sure the company motto is) but if not, hey, you sure didn't save the last series so it's whatever.
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Old 02-04-2018, 05:21 AM   #2
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Yeah, kind of hard to disagree with this. Kids cartoons are for kids first and foremost, so they're trying to appeal to them. Makes perfect sense.
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Old 02-04-2018, 05:30 AM   #3
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Yeah man, you're right.

What kills me the most is that the same people bitching about this (casuals) are those who largely loved the Platinum Dune designs, which these are definitely similar to. You'd support those designs but not these? You've got your hulking du-rag Raph, lanky gear covered Donnie, etc. & these are even better by not having uncanny human facial features, 7 foot stature, nostrils, & that they're in 2D (as requested).
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Old 02-04-2018, 06:18 AM   #4
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I'd say 30 is being generous when talking about who it's catered for. Yes it had to be different given it comes right after the last one. For some maybe they just don't like the look of the particular designs rather than there being a change. Just an opinion, sure mine won't count when it comes to Nick as you rightly said but I still like and dislike things, I liked their last designs, even though Nick didn't intend those for adults either.
So going on to children, my little one wasn't impressed with them either but again that isn't all kids, some will love it.

Regarding the other shows rating, it had gotten 5 seasons and as I said before, I do think Nicks airing had a hand in the ratings also, we finally got the Crossever arc in the UK this weekend, the last season 5 eps aired I think were back in August! Kids will loose interest. (though I get they may not be so interested in other countries)

Anyway, sorry to come off a bit, but on the subject of ratings, I've asked this before, does only watching Live TV count for ratings or has this been updated with on demand/DVR and internet?

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Old 02-04-2018, 07:19 AM   #5
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My little one wasn't impressed with them. Anyway a lot may come to like it or not mind it so much once it's up and running .
Since there are no breaks lasting for years this time, it's still the same children who know the Nickelodeon series who will watch Rise of the TMNT.
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Old 02-04-2018, 10:46 AM   #6
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Yeah man, you're right.

What kills me the most is that the same people bitching about this (casuals) are those who largely loved the Platinum Dune designs, which these are definitely similar to. You'd support those designs but not these? You've got your hulking du-rag Raph, lanky gear covered Donnie, etc. & these are even better by not having uncanny human facial features, 7 foot stature, nostrils, & that they're in 2D (as requested).
I think my preference for the Platinum Dunes designs come from execution. Texture, color, clothing/gear choices. That said, Iím not invested in either product, just watching from afar and appreciating whatever elements do appeal to me.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:16 AM   #7
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I can not believe how many older fans are losing their minds over the designs. This is worse than the PD backlash.
Not liking them is one thing, but acting like it's the end of the world is another. It's just ridiculous.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:24 AM   #8
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I think Rise of the TMNT is gonna bring the fun back. FW was a fun show back in the days given the era that was on.

Even if this series will cater to a much younger demographic. they can poke fun at all the TMNT tropes that happened throughout all incarnations.

If Shredder, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady show up. Do you think they will be similar to the FW counterparts, or to the Nick series counterparts?
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:27 AM   #9
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Appealing to the "millenial geek" demographic has many pros but also plenty of cons. I do think most people complaining are adults who aren't the target audience which is actually more of the 6-10 demographic so even 14 year olds complaining online just doesn't matter. But there is a crossover between people not liking the designs.

But like I mentioned in the Rise thread, I showed a 10 year old the designs and he hated them and he's a fan of the current show. I also remember as a kid when shows had these "KEWL NEW LOOK" makeovers and I usually hated them and asked why they did it and sure enough all those revivals failed after one season.

What's annoying to me is that as an adult you can easily understand "Hey, we just finished a previous incarnation like 2 months ago which was more "classic TMNT, do I really want ANOTHER similar incarnation a year later?" "Wouldn't it be more fun to see something new?" "Am I really going to watch it even if it had been the perfect designs"?

But no in the age of social media everyone wants to spout out their opinion. I have no problem with dromers not liking the new show, if they're on a forum they're hardcore enough to share their opinions but casuals who read buzzfeed and other fake geek sites who are never going to watch it is just lame.

Also, if people like something do we really have to sh-t every thread about it? I can already see every new episode will be full of "ugh, this sucks" and not let the few who enjoy it discuss it. I mean, just look at all The Next Mutation threads, it's always mostly "ugh this show sucked" when some just want to discuss it. At least in the Last Jedi thread the negative comments were "I didn't like it because ____ and this causes _____" but most negative comments on TNM threads and in the upcoming Rise will be "This sucks" without adding anything of value to the discussion.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:31 AM   #10
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Nickelodeon

I recall a lot of people saying the first Nickelodeon series sucked back in late-2012 and early-2013. When it was cancelled, a lot of them probably missed it.
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:10 PM   #11
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... is like, mentally really they're treating it as if they're coming off season 1 (Fred Wolf), season 2 (4kids), and season 3 (2012 Nick) of some giant series of Breaking Bad and they're upset that season 4 (Rise of the TMNT) looks so very different than anything before it. And maybe it's systemic of "casual fans" but...

Stop doing that. If you're above the age of 30 you no longer have any vote in the latest children's cartoon. You don't. The last two seasons of the 2012 Nick show (in which Raph wasn't the "leader" and no one had magic weapons) tanked in the ratings (i.e., all these 30+ year old fans watching diligently did squat) so guess what... Nick is trying something new... for the next generation of little kids.

It's not a jab. It's reality. What else should they do? The same thing again? Throw good money after bad? Little kids are pretty simple. Number of little kids' TMNT cartoons made to float by it's devoted 30+ year old audience: 0. You don't matter. Hopefully you're along for the ride (is what I'm sure the company motto is) but if not, hey, you sure didn't save the last series so it's whatever.
I agree that they should be targeting kids but most of us 30 year old fans have kids or Neices and Nephews that we watch with and buy the toys for. I am not against change but what confuses me is these look like rip offs of the failed recent movie turtles. Did nobody on creative think to say this didnít work once why are we trying again?
Iím already not craY a out changes but Iím gonna give it a shot as Iíll be watching with my nephew who loved the 2012 most recent series but I donít have high hopes.
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:31 PM   #12
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The turtles, except Donatello, wielding magic weapons in Rise of the TMNT, may be the most drastic changes ever in TMNT history. Even bigger than when the MWS series began.
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:50 PM   #13
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Not really. They did it in 4kids, & other iterations dabbled in it too.
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Not really. They did it in 4kids, & other iterations dabbled in it too.
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:14 PM   #15
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Yeah, but it still sets a precedent. My point is that it's not an entirely new concept for the TMNT.
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:22 PM   #16
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Iím sure most grown up fans know they are not the main audience, but I donít see why they (we) arenít allowed to say what we think. Myself, I want the TMNT to be a up there with the best of DC and Marvel. For that to happen, it needs to keep building a fan base.

I donít mind the premise of the show, but I believe the art style will turn off just as many youngsters as us old guys. To me, this is the cartoon equivalent to those terrible Mark Martin comics. But Iíll gladly be proven wrong.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:34 PM   #17
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People were freaking out before 2012 started too, once the show comes out I'm sure there will just be those who love it and those who are indifferent to it.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:58 AM   #18
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I agree with what Andrew said. We already had three tmnt cartoons before now anyway. Thatís more than enough for me.
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Old 02-24-2018, 11:35 PM   #19
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Any one who likes more than one iteration has shown to be accepting of change because they are all fairly different. At the very least in design. A franchise like this has survived because of large groups of people liking it through multiple iterations. Not simply just new generations picking up where the others left off. The idea that creators do or should only care about a narrow target audience with no concern for any other demographic is silly. Itís obvious the most succesful franchises have mass appeal. They should continue to innovate each reiteration, but the noise so far has been negative. Remains to be seen how the show will turn out. Itís telling to me that the most hard core fans, I.e. the people who post here all the time, seem to be generally apathetic. At least there was some passion behind the hating on the PD stuff.
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Old 02-25-2018, 01:19 AM   #20
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It is not kiddy. It was only the 1987 cartoon that was somehow more kid friendly but with how much violent i was even there i dont think so.. With all the horrible things i did in 2003 series like cutting Stockman eye legs and hand and then put his brain in jar, burning April home, killing millions.... Do you think that a show with a villian so evil like me is ok for kids? Or what about the fact that i killed Splinter and Tang Shen in the 2012 show? The reason some people think that Batman and Superman movies are morep popular than my movies is because Batman and Superman exists for 90+ yerars. But there are as many adults as kids watching my adventures fighting the turtles, iam sure of that.
If there a Batman or Superman movie with me as the main villian like the crossovers in IDW comics iam sure the cinemas will be full of adults. But it must be without the turtles. Just me and my henchmen fighting Batman and Superman. How awesome will that be?!
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