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Old 02-20-2018, 02:00 AM   #61
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So.... we're all getting into a fight over the toon now?

I don't know what the fan categoreis are, casual purist? etc. As for the fans on facebook, I also heard they like to tear up 2012 and some apparently are in thier 30s and 40's, so I imagine that some of them might not that new to the franchise.. I suppose people are talking generally and casual may not always mean newer.
Anyway, some people are just too much and others more reasonable, as someone pointed out (think it was turtleWA) those with more positive attitudes aren't posting as much.

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Old 02-20-2018, 02:10 AM   #62
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FredWolf, I do beleive that, you are one of the more happy and relaxed people on here
Awww thanks

You're pretty chill here as well
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:33 AM   #63
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Awww thanks

You're pretty chill here as well
not so much sadly, but I'm not all misery either
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:09 AM   #64
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Didn't we hear similair after the "Blue Door" script was revealed?
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:51 AM   #65
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Didn't we hear similair after the "Blue Door" script was revealed?
*sigh*

I highly doubt that it will be anywhere near as bad as the "Blue Door" script.

I will place my trust in Andy Suriano. I believe in him.

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Old 02-20-2018, 09:13 AM   #66
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*sigh*

I highly doubt that it will be anywhere near as bad as the "Blue Door" script.

I will place my trust in Andy Suriano. I believe in him.
Actually, all these changes opens up a new door with later possibilities for a blue door.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:41 AM   #67
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The new showrunners/directors seem pretty excited about their new vision in the toyfair interviews. They're well aware they made drastic changes but say that old fans should keep an open mind.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:51 AM   #68
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but say that old fans should keep an open mind.
They don't even really need to dignify that kind of response. What they should say is, "Keep an open mind and watch... or just don't watch. This isn't for you anyway, and will not be made or broken with or without your viewership."
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:58 AM   #69
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They don't even really need to dignify that kind of response. What they should say is, "Keep an open mind and watch... or just don't watch. This isn't for you anyway, and will not be made or broken with or without your viewership."
And I'm sure the folks in question would have taken that in stride, and not doubled down on their mean-spirited efforts.

I feel for these folks.
They're just trying to make a thing, but thanks to the fandom making that thing becomes a hostage negotiation.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:05 PM   #70
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Then make something good and there will be less backlash.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:07 PM   #71
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They're just trying to make a thing, but thanks to the fandom making that thing becomes a hostage negotiation.
That's true, but it's only becoming that because they humor it as such. They should stop humoring it. The little tykes will come and eat this up, like they do every generation. For about 2 or 3 seasons. And hey, that's about the time they'll throw out another horrible movie we can all make fun of that will actually try to placate "us."

"Hang on, hunnie... I need to remember to set the DVR to record the latest 'Ninja Turtles' cartoon before this business trip!" <--- people accounting for 0.0005% of the ratings of any similarly geared cartoon.
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Then make something good and there will be less backlash.
Good things require taking risks.
Taking risks require there be chance for failure.
People who aren't willing to face failure, don't get good things.

Lather, wince, repeat.

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That's true, but it's only becoming that because they humor it as such. They should stop humoring it. The little tykes will come and eat this up, like they do every generation. For about 2 or 3 seasons. And hey, that's about the time they'll throw out another horrible movie we can all make fun of that will actually try to placate "us."

"Hang on, hunnie... I need to remember to set the DVR to record the latest 'Ninja Turtles' cartoon!" <--- people accounting for 0.0005% of the ratings of any similarly geared cartoon.
You say that last bit like it's a bad thing.
Those are the folks who buy the toys that have always, and will always, pay for production.

Honestly, I don't think the onus is on Nick for this sort of stuff.
I think it's on us in the fandom to police our own.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:16 PM   #73
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What makes you think all the people complaining are adults? I've been on the internet long enough that I was a little kid complaining about stuff online when I indeed was the target audience. Now thanks to social media more of the target audience gets to complain. Kids aren't stupid and know very well how to get information or complain. These shows aren't being made for an older audience and usually this audience can't keep a toyline/show alive but that doesn't mean the negativity doesn't affect the actual product in terms of marketing.

There's no problem with manchildren complaining, it always happened. The problem became when geek culture became cool and now we have all these "geek culture" blogs and internet personalities who think they're voice matters. And they do influence the majority of "casual" fans who are the main ones who would say "my childhood is ruined" but would have never watched the real show regardless if it was what they wanted, what they want is the thing they had as a kid. These "influencers" do influence younger kids though which is a problem, so companies need marketing shills like say Black Nerd or PixelDan to promote their agenda.

It's a complicated digital world we live in now and things aren't as simple as some of you guys try to put it. With that said, this show is a textbook example of what enterprises do in panic mode to renew interest and it usually doesn't work. The show will not fail because of manchildren crying, I'm 100% for this show, I like it when franchises do crazy things but I know they don't usually last for that very reason regardless of quality.
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What makes you think all the people complaining are adults?
Because you can click on the names of the loudest bunches on all the TMNT FB groups and... they are?
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:24 PM   #75
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Then make something good and there will be less backlash.
Impossible.

We are stuck in the Reboot Twighlight Zone. where no one thinks what is best for the property, but tries to put their own little spin on it in the hope it takes off.

The last series had endless horror homages and teen romance triangles that belonged more on the CW.

this one has comedy.

Who knows what the next one will be?

Eventually, I feel, a thing can only be rebooted so many times before it either is no longer the thing you love, or just rehashes so much of what has come before only in different ways. at that area of existence, what's the point?
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I think it's on us in the fandom to police our own.
How do we do that? Have you seen the fandom? Imagine trying to, like, reason with a rabid pack of Jephaels, or cferreiras. It's sisyphean.
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How do we do that? Have you seen the fandom? Imagine trying to, like, reason with a rabid pack of Jephaels, or cferreiras.
Hold everyone to a set standard of behavior, and not tolerate people who don't maintain that standard.

And now IN B4...
I'm by no means saying that everyone has to agree what is said, but I think we can come to an agreement as to a good and productive way to say most things.
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We are stuck in the Reboot Twighlight Zone. where no one thinks what is best for the property, but tries to put their own little spin on it in the hope it takes off.
What the hell is this supposed to mean? Of course there are reboots, what should there be? They're not going to continue an older series.

You almost sound like you're mentally incapable of realizing new reboots/series happen for everything every few years.
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What the hell is this supposed to mean? Of course there are reboots, what should there be?
Maybe that's a disconnect with a lot of these whackjobs. Maybe they (some of them, anyway) honestly think that RotTMNT is some kind of a continuation and distortion of their beloved Fred Wolf show.
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Hold everyone to a set standard of behavior, and not tolerate people who don't maintain that standard.
Define "not tolerate".
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