Star Wars Episode 8

[Leo656]

Dude's batsh*t-crazy statement deserved an adequate response, nothing more.

I figure I may as well leave a review on my way out...

Spoiler:

-Fin.

[plastroncafe]

It's okay to miss us.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

I'm looking forward to Solo more than Ep. IX. I don't know, I have a feeling that even though it seems like it'll suck, it could impress me, while I can't think of anything IX could do to change my mind.

You know, in spite of TLJ doing its darnedest to make me not be excited or interested in IX (and keep in mind, I am of the "I liked TLJ... but man it has problems" camp)... it's a fascinating thing. JJ rightfully got so much sh** about TFA there is no way he is not aware of it... and now he gets the chance to redeem himself and justify this whole kind of empty, questionable trilogy. I am really interested in what he's going to do (and with JJ throwing his hat in for this, 2 out of the 3 sequel trilogy movies... he surely must know no matter what, he will either get all of the credit or all of the blame, depending on how it goes down). I can't even speculate what it will be.

Solo? It may be good or bad. Howard won't deliver a turd... but what it won't be is overly interesting or inspired. It will be a fill in the box next to a bunch of checkboxes from the OT and all seem very familiar. Kessel Run, Chewie rescue, Lando, winning the Falcon, probably him learning to say "I have a bad feeling about this" from Woody Harrelson or something, the origin of that chess board... we'll needlessly see all of that, I'm certain.

[snake]

The no girls allowed cut is probably better than the actual movie.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's okay to miss us.

[Leonardo_thebest]

It goes like this:

Empire
The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
Clone Wars
Phantom Menace

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

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Stick around, foo.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Stick around, foo.

[dl316bh]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You know, in spite of TLJ doing its darnedest to make me not be excited or interested in IX (and keep in mind, I am of the "I liked TLJ... but man it has problems" camp)... it's a fascinating thing. JJ rightfully got so much sh** about TFA there is no way he is not aware of it... and now he gets the chance to redeem himself and justify this whole kind of empty, questionable trilogy. I am really interested in what he's going to do (and with JJ throwing his hat in for this, 2 out of the 3 sequel trilogy movies... he surely must know no matter what, he will either get all of the credit or all of the blame, depending on how it goes down). I can't even speculate what it will be.

I guess we'll see. I've seen enough Abrams films that I'm not super optimistic. It doesn't help that this new trilogy was put together in the most slapdash manner. They decided to farm all three films out to three different directors, initially, and Abrams only came back in when Book of Henry seemed to make them think twice about Trevarrow, so the whole thing just felt kind of sloppy and put together just to get the three films out like an assembly line with no delays. It's never felt like this trilogy was going to have some consistent vision.

I'm hoping he puts something out that makes for an alright cap, but I'm not expecting amazing things. I think the worst case scenario is another Force Awakens thing where it's just nothing. Another negative possibility is another film like Star Trek Into Darkness, which got a little too cute and felt like it thought it was a bit more clever than it actually was.

There's also whatever happens with Solo to consider, too. If that film bombs in some way - critically or commercially (by the standards of Star Wars, of course) - Disney might want Episode IX to play it safe to try and win people back or encourage them to forget the most recent film.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by dl316bh

There's also whatever happens with Solo to consider, too. If that film bombs in some way - critically or commercially (by the standards of Star Wars, of course) - Disney might want Episode IX to play it safe to try and win people back or encourage them to forget the most recent film.

There's two sides to it (though I don't foresee any side where "Solo" doesn't pull at least Rogue One numbers). Solo does great, look forward to IG-88: The Movie. It's received badly... maybe no more looking in the rearview, which wouldn't be the worst thing at all.

Neither of which, I think, will impact IX. Won't it basically begin principal photography by the time Solo comes out?

*Disclaimer: We know Kathleen Kennedy has no problem shooting the same movie twice, so... anything goes.

[dl316bh]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There's two sides to it (though I don't foresee any side where "Solo" doesn't pull at least Rogue One numbers).

That's why I mean comparatively for Star Wars. It'll make bank, but if it's bad, word of mouth will slow it. It's also a side film with a lot of publicly noted problems going in and bad early buzz has hobbled more than one movie. Also worth noting that it's coming out five months after the last in the franchise. People will have barely processed The Last Jedi before the next film comes along, marketing and all.

I don't think they're at the point where they could lose money on a Star Wars film yet, but I can forsee it making around, quite possibly less, than Rogue One. It has elements that are not in their favor at all.

Solo does great, look forward to IG-88: The Movie. It's received badly... maybe no more looking in the rearview, which wouldn't be the worst thing at all.

I'd be fine with that. The latter, I mean. F*** IG-88.

Neither of which, I think, will impact IX. Won't it basically begin principal photography by the time Solo comes out?

June. A month after Solo hits. That's assuming no delays. A lot can change in that time, especially if they're worried. Hell, last I heard, they're still hammering out what Episode IX is even going to be now, since they've had to alter what plans they did have. Hell, they could even throw money at reshoots if they feel it necessary.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by dl316bh

That's why I mean comparatively for Star Wars. It'll make bank, but if it's bad, word of mouth will slow it. It's also a side film with a lot of publicly noted problems going in and bad early buzz has hobbled more than one movie. Also worth noting that it's coming out five months after the last in the franchise. People will have barely processed The Last Jedi before the next film comes along, marketing and all.

I don't think they're at the point where they could lose money on a Star Wars film yet, but I can forsee it making around, quite possibly less, than Rogue One. It has elements that are not in their favor at all.


I'd be fine with that. The latter, I mean. F*** IG-88.


June. A month after Solo hits. That's assuming no delays. A lot can change in that time, especially if they're worried. Hell, last I heard, they're still hammering out what Episode IX is even going to be now, since they've had to alter what plans they did have. Hell, they could even throw money at reshoots if they feel it necessary.

I dunno... everyone, especially Kathleen Kennedy, seem to really, really revere JJ. I seem to remember it was a bit of a begging game to even get him to do TFA... if I recall, it came down to a phone call from Spielberg (JJ's admitted and obvious idol) telling him to do it that moved the needle with JJ. I'm certain whatever negotiations that happened with JJ in the Speed Force when Trevorrow was shown the door gave him similar carte blanche as before... possibly more so, since TFA did better box office than any SW movie ever.

I feel like whatever deal JJ signed under duress for IX, it would be one that would be sure and insulate him from being the next Gareth Edwards or those two directors on Solo. 100%.

Not saying that great things will come of this, I'm just saying that we've never seen JJ with his back against the wall like this, with a ton to prove.

[Vegita-San]

I wish I knew where this was from. but the place I saw it in didn't post a link.
If true, it wouldn't be shocking. RT's protecting the interest of disney and not letting the film score fall below a certain extent.

we all know the critics are afraid of disney anyway.


>>>I believe I can show that the current audience score of 49% which RT displays for the Last Jedi is false. I can only speculate as to why they are lying but they clearly are. I did a statistical analysis of all of the audience reviews I was allowed to view. There are nearly 2000 pages of reviews and I was able to access 46 of them. This is a perfectly reasonable sample size which I believe represents an accurate reflection of the overall audience opinion. A five star rating system translated to a scale of 1 to 100 means that each star is worth 20 points. A half star is 10 points etc. Here are my results...

.5 stars - 339
1 star - 173
1.5 stars - 66
2 stars - 90
2.5 stars - 23
3 stars - 19
3.5 stars- 12
4 stars - 26
4.5 stars 25
5 stars 95

A sample size of 868 audience reviewers awarded a total of 23390 points for an average user score of 33.8594. Less than 34%.

I don't know why RT is lying to the public, but they are clearly preventing the audience score from falling below a certain level. If RT is protecting Disney's interests then this is a conflict of interest of the highest order and this site cannot be trusted. Again, the true audience score for this film is well, WELL below 40. >>>

[plastroncafe]

It's about ethics in film criticism journalism.

[NinjaPug]

I know it went through massive reshoots but I'm still shocked we have seen absolutely nothing official released from Disney for Solo and the movie comes out in 4 months. No images, no behind the scenes reel. Nothing. Not even the planted articles from Lucasfilm on EW doing damage control and trying to reassure fans that the movie will be great great and all the negative production problems are overblown like they did for Rogue One after all of those reshoots.

[Vegita-San]

man..this one must really suck..

and it mostly stars men, so it's OK to say it sucks by everyone. YAY!

[plastroncafe]

Okay, but only because you said so.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

man..this one must really suck..

and it mostly stars men, so it's OK to say it sucks by everyone. YAY!

You are on this forum...but we do not grant you the rank of sh*tposter.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

The Last Jedi was made for more sophisticated fans.

You like milking tits too?

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

You like milking tits too?