Splinter's line in the first movie, "All fathers care for their sons" - problematic?

*CyberCubed* · 04-04-2019, 04:04 PM

Obviously Splinter was talking about himself here, but we know in the real world, that line is not true. Some fathers never even meet their sons/kids, they impregnate some woman and then go off and never take responsibility or are absent fathers. Other fathers beat or abuse their sons. Or other fathers are just deadbeat dads who even if they stay with their sons barely do anything to take care of them.

Do you find that line problematic in today's day and age? Instead Splinter should say, "All fathers *should* care for their sons."

*snake* · 04-04-2019, 04:05 PM

Have you been drinking?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-04-2019, 04:07 PM

You're way overthinking this.

*Candy Kappa* · 04-04-2019, 04:08 PM

Cubed, you getting woke?

No, it's not a problematic line.

*Prowler* · 04-04-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Have you been drinking?

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

You're way overthinking this.

It's a sign good ol' Cubed is back. Let's enjoy it while it lasts.

*snake* · 04-04-2019, 04:27 PM

I got to admit, I kind of missed it.

I love you Cubed.

*Autbot_Benz* · 04-04-2019, 04:47 PM

SJWcubed ?

*victory_angel* · 04-04-2019, 06:15 PM

I believe the line Splinter is meaning is "All good fathers care about their sons."

Chet · 04-04-2019, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by victory_angel

I believe the line Splinter is meaning is "All good fathers care about their sons."

That's how I see it too, similar to the line in Guardians of the Galaxy 2
"He may have been your father boy, but he wasn't your daddy"

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 04-05-2019, 02:41 AM

He menas Most fathers care for their sons.

Vivi · 04-05-2019, 02:48 AM

All fathers, worth the pot they piss in, care for their sons.

*Slade* · 04-05-2019, 06:28 AM

Funny enough, I have no clue who my actual father is, but I never had any issue with that line. Guess I just always knew what he meant.

*newfan* · 04-05-2019, 06:38 AM

I have no issues, took it to mean generally or his own feelings. Not thought about it.

Garnet · 04-05-2019, 08:33 AM

Splinter also tries to get out of the situation he's in (chained to a wall in Shredder's hideout). He had to realize instinctively that Danny had not run away from a family that was abusing him (he's rather the kind of typical lost/rebellious teenager), and he tries to awaken his empathy by showing him that they share a logic of "stable" people. And in the end, it works ... The use of psychology sounds rather ninja to me.

*Wesley* · 04-05-2019, 09:20 AM

I don’t have a problem with Splinter’s line, but I can see why some people might.

*IndigoErth* · 04-05-2019, 09:43 AM

Just an old guy speaking from his own perspective and maybe can't fathom how a father wouldn't.

edit: This Splinter was also always a rat and living life hidden away the reality of many human parent-child relationships may be a little foreign to him. (Lets face it, there was no Dr. Phil for him to watch back then. lol)

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Originally Posted by Garnet

Splinter also tries to get out of the situation he's in (chained to a wall in Shredder's hideout). He had to realize instinctively that Danny had not run away from a family that was abusing him (he's rather the kind of typical lost/rebellious teenager), and he tries to awaken his empathy by showing him that they share a logic of "stable" people. And in the end, it works ... The use of psychology sounds rather ninja to me.

Really good point.

*Zachatello00* · 04-05-2019, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivi

All fathers, worth the pot they piss in, care for their sons.

I'm imagining this line coming from Splinter.

The-Shredder · 04-05-2019, 04:32 PM

Let's look at it this way. Splinter is obviously not the Turtles' biological father, but he was the one who found them abandoned, fed them, raised them, and trained them. Despite their differences, they all care for each other very much and he is very much their "father."

Remember that Shredder said in his grand speech "This is your family. I am your father," but he used the kids who he took in as pawns for money and power instead of acting like a real father to them. Splinter takes issue with this and tells the kids that the Foot Clan is not a family and Shredder is using them for his own desires. Danny's father, while not amazing by any stretch, isn't a terrible person and deep down he certainly does care for him.

*Leo656* · 04-05-2019, 07:45 PM

I must confess, as a kid it went right past me, but when I was a teen and later an adult, I've seen more people than you might think give that line the old Mrs. Krabappel "HAH!" whenever I've watched the movie in a small group.

Everybody just lets it slide, but yeah, ol' Splinter was definitely making a major ass-pull when he came up with that line. It's factually incorrect and easily disproven. All fathers should care for their sons, but a lot of them absolutely don't. But that wouldn't have achieved the same dramatic effect, obviously.

*MikeandRaph87* · 04-05-2019, 07:52 PM

I read this at lunch during a streasful workday. Thanks for bringing Cubism back.

What a nitpick. All SHOULD, but don't. Never would have tbought about it.

04-04-2019, 04:04 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,029	Splinter's line in the first movie, "All fathers care for their sons" - problematic? Obviously Splinter was talking about himself here, but we know in the real world, that line is not true. Some fathers never even meet their sons/kids, they impregnate some woman and then go off and never take responsibility or are absent fathers. Other fathers beat or abuse their sons. Or other fathers are just deadbeat dads who even if they stay with their sons barely do anything to take care of them. Do you find that line problematic in today's day and age? Instead Splinter should say, "All fathers should care for their sons."

04-04-2019, 04:08 PM	#4
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Cubed, you getting woke? No, it's not a problematic line. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

04-04-2019, 04:47 PM	#7
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 8,275	SJWcubed ? __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons.

04-04-2019, 06:15 PM	#8
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,103	I believe the line Splinter is meaning is "All good fathers care about their sons." __________________

04-05-2019, 02:48 AM	#11
Vivi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ninja HQ, Moon Posts: 1,074	All fathers, worth the pot they piss in, care for their sons. __________________ "I can't believe this place...it's all so horrible."

04-04-2019, 04:05 PM	#2
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,230	Have you been drinking?

04-04-2019, 04:27 PM	#6
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,230	I got to admit, I kind of missed it. I love you Cubed.

04-05-2019, 02:41 AM	#10
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	He menas Most fathers care for their sons.

04-05-2019, 06:28 AM	#12
Slade god status Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 3,291	Funny enough, I have no clue who my actual father is, but I never had any issue with that line. Guess I just always knew what he meant. __________________ Do not concern yourself with what I've already done: rather tremble at the thought of what I am about to do. Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=48140

04-05-2019, 06:38 AM	#13
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	I have no issues, took it to mean generally or his own feelings. Not thought about it.

04-05-2019, 08:33 AM	#14
Garnet Random Punk Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: France Posts: 22	Splinter also tries to get out of the situation he's in (chained to a wall in Shredder's hideout). He had to realize instinctively that Danny had not run away from a family that was abusing him (he's rather the kind of typical lost/rebellious teenager), and he tries to awaken his empathy by showing him that they share a logic of "stable" people. And in the end, it works ... The use of psychology sounds rather ninja to me.

04-05-2019, 09:20 AM	#15
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,589	I don’t have a problem with Splinter’s line, but I can see why some people might. __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines)

04-05-2019, 04:32 PM	#18
The-Shredder Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 448	Let's look at it this way. Splinter is obviously not the Turtles' biological father, but he was the one who found them abandoned, fed them, raised them, and trained them. Despite their differences, they all care for each other very much and he is very much their "father." Remember that Shredder said in his grand speech "This is your family. I am your father," but he used the kids who he took in as pawns for money and power instead of acting like a real father to them. Splinter takes issue with this and tells the kids that the Foot Clan is not a family and Shredder is using them for his own desires. Danny's father, while not amazing by any stretch, isn't a terrible person and deep down he certainly does care for him.

04-05-2019, 07:45 PM	#19
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I must confess, as a kid it went right past me, but when I was a teen and later an adult, I've seen more people than you might think give that line the old Mrs. Krabappel "HAH!" whenever I've watched the movie in a small group. Everybody just lets it slide, but yeah, ol' Splinter was definitely making a major ass-pull when he came up with that line. It's factually incorrect and easily disproven. All fathers should care for their sons, but a lot of them absolutely don't. But that wouldn't have achieved the same dramatic effect, obviously. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

04-05-2019, 07:52 PM	#20
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,130	I read this at lunch during a streasful workday. Thanks for bringing Cubism back. What a nitpick. All SHOULD, but don't. Never would have tbought about it. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

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