Turtles rebel against Splinter?

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 09-24-2016, 10:00 PM

Does anyone think, in the light of everything that's happening in recent IDW comics, that we might see a mass defection of the TMNT from the foot? And maybe... we might not see splinter go with them? Might Mikey's rebelliousness only be a symptom, and the TMNT reject the role of assassins, and use their ninjitsu training for nobler ends?

Yoshi was brought up in the foot, and being a cold-heated ninja might be easier for him (despite beliving he's doing such for nobler ends) But the turtles were raised by their peace-loving mother, and what if her influence overrides thier ninja training in thier hearts... and what if Spilnter doesn't 'come around' in this version? Do you all think we might see Splinter become the turtle's greatest enemy in place of shredder, and the father may need to be taken down?

*MikeandRaph87* · 09-24-2016, 10:15 PM

Perhaps that is Kitsune's plan!

~~ChosenOne~~ · 09-24-2016, 10:16 PM

At this point, I believe the Turtles defecting from the Foot sometime in the near future is pretty much a given. Maybe it'll even happen soon after Chasing Phantoms concludes, for all we know.

I'm not so sure that the ensuing conflict can only end with Splinter's death, though. He's either going down that slippery slope of his own volition and will be made to realize the error of his ways, or there's something or someone pulling his strings and the Turtles will find a way to stop it, before it's too late.

Of course, I could be wrong and IDW could pull off an absolutely monumental, groundbreaking moment in the history of the franchise in the form of a fight to the death between Yoshi and his sons. Time will tell, I'm very much looking forward to it no matter what!

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 09-25-2016, 12:21 PM

Few things.

#1. The Turtles/Splinter rift is now an absolute given.

#2. Splinter will never go so far as to be antagonistic towards them, not without extreme manipulation on the part of the Pantheon. And I very much doubt the overall story is going that direction.

At this point, I have some thoughts on where the story and Splinter could go, but we don't have enough data to predict anything with much chance of being correct.

*CyberCubed* · 09-25-2016, 01:14 PM

Its likely Rat King has been in control of Splinter's mind for some time, we just don't know it yet.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 09-25-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Splinter will never go so far as to be antagonistic towards them, not without extreme manipulation on the part of the Pantheon. And I very much doubt the overall story is going that direction.

I agree with everything you said, except this. Are we so sure splinter couldn't be pushed down the ladder of morality -with possible pantheon manipulation, yes- that he'd fight them if they opposed the foot? Or his decisions become so morally reprehensible that the four brothers all refuse to participate, just as he did all those centuries ago, when Saki wanted to destroy the village? Might the turtles oppose him and the foot, to stop them from doing something truly horrible?

This isn't past universes, might we be heading in a different direction? Who saw splinter taking over the foot coming?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 09-25-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I agree with everything you said, except this. Are we so sure splinter couldn't be pushed down the ladder of morality -with possible pantheon manipulation, yes- that he'd fight them if they opposed the foot? Or his decisions become so morally reprehensible that the four brothers all refuse to participate, just as he did all those centuries ago, when Saki wanted to destroy the village? Might the turtles oppose him and the foot, to stop them from doing something truly horrible?

This isn't past universes, might we be heading in a different direction? Who saw splinter taking over the foot coming?

It was hardly SHOCKING. It was a twist and a very good surprise, but we've already seen the Turtles work alongside the Foot (even lead it... looking at you, Raph) in other incarnations.

There will absolutely be a moral division between father and sons, possibly even a confrontation, but Splinter will not try to kill his sons nor vice versa. Hamato Yoshi has been a moral and upstanding man all his life, whereas Oroku Saki was under Pantheon influence for HIS entire life.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 09-25-2016, 02:31 PM

If Splinter and the Turtles never come to blows, then it won't be much of a schism. The bros and the Foot ninjas would just be exchanging friendly waves every time they ran into each other on rooftops and back alleys. Ergo...

*CyberCubed* · 09-25-2016, 03:06 PM

A lot of people tend to forget a lot of stuff IDW does are loose adaptions of earlier material. I agree with Cylon that Splinter taking over the Foot Clan isn't that surprising, given Raphael led the Foot Clan in Shredder's armor no less in the Image comics.

At the end of the Image run, the Foot Clan betrayed Raphael and tried to kill him. Then Lady Shredder showed up and took over in his place.

*MikeandRaph87* · 09-25-2016, 03:29 PM

We know that Kitsune had some type of influence over Shredder just like Alopex. Since she had some type of hold Shredder as the leader of the Foot Clan then why not Splinter as well? In Shredder's final moments he showed legitimate redemption. Perhaps Kitsune's influence had left him and we saw the real Saki then? If that is the case then it would point towards Kitsune controlling the whole situation of the Foot and Splinter is a placeholder pawn in Shredder's place? In a sense Kitsune is the true leader of the Foot.

Mormegil · 09-25-2016, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its likely Rat King has been in control of Splinter's mind for some time, we just don't know it yet.

This is my guess to. He will keep getting more and more aggressive until he orders the turtles to be locked up or something. Then they'll realize he's under the rat kings control.

*myconius* · 09-26-2016, 08:48 PM

i have to admit this new series of events with Splinter is really shocking, but it's good to see this story with the Ninja Turtles joining the Foot Clan finally starting to get REALLY juicy!

*Rooish* · 10-01-2016, 08:59 AM

I didn't buy comics for three months and came back to this mad storyline of 60 - 62.

Was just rolling my eyes about the whole Mikey storyline being resolved with a whole moral of Mikey-was-wrong-all-along-and-just-needed-to-grow-up thing, when Splinter suddenly became much more sketchy. It's great! I think the Turtles will split. Or at least I hope so. This series is so well executed and is really addictive, even when each issue is typically mostly exposition plus a shocker on the final page.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 10-05-2016, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooish

I didn't buy comics for three months and came back to this mad storyline of 60 - 62.

Was just rolling my eyes about the whole Mikey storyline being resolved with a whole moral of Mikey-was-wrong-all-along-and-just-needed-to-grow-up thing, when Splinter suddenly became much more sketchy. It's great! I think the Turtles will split. Or at least I hope so. This series is so well executed and is really addictive, even when each issue is typically mostly exposition plus a shocker on the final page.

Yes, I'm glad Mikey's fears have turned out to be not totally unfounded. It makes him look better, and does something new and interesting with Splinter.

*Utrommaniac* · 10-05-2016, 11:47 PM

Yeah, I don't think it's over with Mike's storyline. Probably in the next two issues, someone's going to be owing him a huge apology.

09-25-2016, 12:21 PM	#4
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Few things. #1. The Turtles/Splinter rift is now an absolute given. #2. Splinter will never go so far as to be antagonistic towards them, not without extreme manipulation on the part of the Pantheon. And I very much doubt the overall story is going that direction. At this point, I have some thoughts on where the story and Splinter could go, but we don't have enough data to predict anything with much chance of being correct. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

09-25-2016, 03:29 PM	#10
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,134	We know that Kitsune had some type of influence over Shredder just like Alopex. Since she had some type of hold Shredder as the leader of the Foot Clan then why not Splinter as well? In Shredder's final moments he showed legitimate redemption. Perhaps Kitsune's influence had left him and we saw the real Saki then? If that is the case then it would point towards Kitsune controlling the whole situation of the Foot and Splinter is a placeholder pawn in Shredder's place? In a sense Kitsune is the true leader of the Foot. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

09-26-2016, 08:48 PM	#12
myconius Abby Normal Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: the grave marked "Unknown" right beside Arch Stanton. Posts: 2,857	i have to admit this new series of events with Splinter is really shocking, but it's good to see this story with the Ninja Turtles joining the Foot Clan finally starting to get REALLY juicy! __________________

10-01-2016, 08:59 AM	#13
Rooish Devil's Advocate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 2,121	I didn't buy comics for three months and came back to this mad storyline of 60 - 62. Was just rolling my eyes about the whole Mikey storyline being resolved with a whole moral of Mikey-was-wrong-all-along-and-just-needed-to-grow-up thing, when Splinter suddenly became much more sketchy. It's great! I think the Turtles will split. Or at least I hope so. This series is so well executed and is really addictive, even when each issue is typically mostly exposition plus a shocker on the final page. __________________ Thanks evan2000 for the sig!

10-05-2016, 11:47 PM	#15
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Yeah, I don't think it's over with Mike's storyline. Probably in the next two issues, someone's going to be owing him a huge apology. __________________ DeviantART

09-24-2016, 10:00 PM	#1
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	Turtles rebel against Splinter? Does anyone think, in the light of everything that's happening in recent IDW comics, that we might see a mass defection of the TMNT from the foot? And maybe... we might not see splinter go with them? Might Mikey's rebelliousness only be a symptom, and the TMNT reject the role of assassins, and use their ninjitsu training for nobler ends? Yoshi was brought up in the foot, and being a cold-heated ninja might be easier for him (despite beliving he's doing such for nobler ends) But the turtles were raised by their peace-loving mother, and what if her influence overrides thier ninja training in thier hearts... and what if Spilnter doesn't 'come around' in this version? Do you all think we might see Splinter become the turtle's greatest enemy in place of shredder, and the father may need to be taken down? __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

09-24-2016, 10:15 PM	#2
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,134	Perhaps that is Kitsune's plan! __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

09-24-2016, 10:16 PM	#3
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	At this point, I believe the Turtles defecting from the Foot sometime in the near future is pretty much a given. Maybe it'll even happen soon after Chasing Phantoms concludes, for all we know. I'm not so sure that the ensuing conflict can only end with Splinter's death, though. He's either going down that slippery slope of his own volition and will be made to realize the error of his ways, or there's something or someone pulling his strings and the Turtles will find a way to stop it, before it's too late. Of course, I could be wrong and IDW could pull off an absolutely monumental, groundbreaking moment in the history of the franchise in the form of a fight to the death between Yoshi and his sons. Time will tell, I'm very much looking forward to it no matter what!

09-25-2016, 01:14 PM	#5
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	Its likely Rat King has been in control of Splinter's mind for some time, we just don't know it yet.

09-25-2016, 02:31 PM	#8
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	If Splinter and the Turtles never come to blows, then it won't be much of a schism. The bros and the Foot ninjas would just be exchanging friendly waves every time they ran into each other on rooftops and back alleys. Ergo...

09-25-2016, 03:06 PM	#9
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,057	A lot of people tend to forget a lot of stuff IDW does are loose adaptions of earlier material. I agree with Cylon that Splinter taking over the Foot Clan isn't that surprising, given Raphael led the Foot Clan in Shredder's armor no less in the Image comics. At the end of the Image run, the Foot Clan betrayed Raphael and tried to kill him. Then Lady Shredder showed up and took over in his place.