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Old 05-10-2020, 06:39 PM   #1521
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It is slightly off-topic, but I thought Apokolips Warwas basically the book end of a line that started in the same book that no one really wanted. It just had the diverse Green Lantern get the ring from Earth-3's evil opposite, Batman take to the Mobius chair and learn something about Joker that was not important and Darkseid was defeated. End of the story. Now Dick Grayson, Aquaman, and Captain Marvel/Shazam get brutally murdered in animation? Is this DC's way of sticking up its middle finger at the fanbase who preferred Rebirth and further did not like the continuity based film series that the oddly named Justice League War started? If you are a fan of any of those who get killed DO NOT BUY this film. Let's just move on and know its over and they will be seen in other animated projects to come.
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Old 05-10-2020, 06:58 PM   #1522
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Without having seen it, that definitely sounds pretty rough, but at the same time, "If you're gonna go out, go out with a bang" and all that.

I mean, frankly, if you're going to propose "All-out war against Darkseid" and your story is anything less than high-stakes, and nothing bad happens, then you kinda lied. I frankly can't think of any other time or place in which such extreme measures would make sense within the framework of a DC story, but it doesn't actually sound very much out of place given what the proposal was. It's kinda like what Final Crisis might've been if they hadn't gotten cold feet halfway through and decided that nothing too bad was gonna happen and nobody was gonna stay dead.

Ah well, it is what it is. Context is everything and that stuff fits the kind of story they set out to tell. And at the end of the day, it's the last story within that version of the DCU so it's not like any of it matters. They'll all be alive again and just fine in the next, unrelated film.

To me, less like, "If you're a fan of ____, stay away," and more like, "If you only like comic book characters within the realm of PG-level childrens' entertainment, stay away." I mean, I love Guy Gardner but I've watched him get murdered so many times by now that it's like half of his story function. I'm over it.

Not sure when I'll get around to seeing it, though. I'm a little bit resentful that they pooched "Reign of the Supermen" and totally neutered Hank Henshaw just to turn that movie into a cocktease for THIS one. So my urgency is low, but nothing I read in that article was specifically eye-rolling from my perspective.
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Old 05-10-2020, 07:06 PM   #1523
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Without having seen it, that definitely sounds pretty rough, but at the same time, "If you're gonna go out, go out with a bang" and all that.

I mean, frankly, if you're going to propose "All-out war against Darkseid" and your story is anything less than high-stakes, and nothing bad happens, then you kinda lied. I frankly can't think of any other time or place in which such extreme measures would make sense within the framework of a DC story, but it doesn't actually sound very much out of place given what the proposal was. It's kinda like what Final Crisis might've been if they hadn't gotten cold feet halfway through and decided that nothing too bad was gonna happen and nobody was gonna stay dead.

Ah well, it is what it is. Context is everything and that stuff fits the kind of story they set out to tell. And at the end of the day, it's the last story within that version of the DCU so it's not like any of it matters. They'll all be alive again and just fine in the next, unrelated film.

To me, less like, "If you're a fan of ____, stay away," and more like, "If you only like comic book characters within the realm of PG-level childrens' entertainment, stay away." I mean, I love Guy Gardner but I've watched him get murdered so many times by now that it's like half of his story function. I'm over it.

Not sure when I'll get around to seeing it, though. I'm a little bit resentful that they pooched "Reign of the Supermen" and totally neutered Hank Henshaw just to turn that movie into a cocktease for THIS one. So my urgency is low, but nothing I read in that article was specifically eye-rolling from my perspective.
Sometimes descriptions of the product by the makers of said product is all you need to know to be informed that this product is not for you. I think of it as Didio's parting shot. There has been senseless violence for the sake of plot like Toyman's murder by the alternate Superman in the previous New 52 installment. It's just Toyman and it served a purpose. This is Dick Grayson and Aquaman. Look if it was Jason Todd I would be cheering on the villain, but these are important characters and or characters I truly enjoy. Kill off the Flash heroically to tie into Crisis lore. Let's just move on and sweep it under the rug.
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It's not "senseless" in this case, though, it's Darkseid. He's pretty much literally the devil. You can't have a war against Satan and not have extremely bad stuff happen. That's kind of the entire point of the story. Otherwise, you don't book the match.

Also, "I wish my personal favorite characters were immune to damage" is a slippery slope that limits storytelling potential. For one thing, EVERY character is someone's favorite, so no matter who you kill, or how violently, it won't sit right with someone. But furthermore, how does it make a viewer care if only "jobbers" get killed off? It's like that "Gotham Harbor? That's abandoned" horse sh*t during the Doomsday fight in BvS; just a way to pretend there are high stakes while also gently patting the more sensitive types on the butt and soothingly whispering to them, "Don't worry, nothing TOO bad is gonna happen." And frankly, I find that very disingenuous.

It's like "Infinite Crisis", which I liked a lot. Yes, having Superboy Prime kill off a bunch of Z-list Teen Titans that most people couldn't name if you handed them a complete copy of Who's Who In The DCU was a good start in establishing that he was a bad guy. BUT. With respect to the fans who are outliers, which I've already mentioned above, "nobody" cares about Pantha or Baby Wildebeest. So having him kill them didn't have any emotional "oomph"; they may as well have been Red Shirts. It didn't make him seem THAT evil, or like things were THAT bad. BUT THEN, you have him kill SUPERBOY... and then the original Superman... and NOW, as a reader, you completely understand just how serious this sh*t is and that Superman better step up and get this sh*t under control already.

And as a huge Superman and Superboy fan, did I enjoy seeing all of that play out? You better believe I did, because I hadn't been so emotionally invested in a comic book since I was like, ten years old. I want to FEEL things when I jump into these stories. I'm not invested when characters whose names I can't remember get killed off. I'm not invested when characters crack jokes during the third act fight scenes. I want to suspend disbelief and pretend, for a few minutes, that maybe the Good Guys don't get to win this time, before they inevitably do. I want the Bad Guys to be irredeemably evil and not just "misunderstood", and I want them to do very awful things to establish that they're terrible, and I want the stakes to be through the roof so that when the good guys inevitably DO win, it feels like an earned win and not a foregone conclusion.

I mean at the end of the day, from a storytelling point of view, if you're gonna pull out the Darkseid card, lots of people need to die or else you could easily tell the same story with Toyman or some other jamoke. The whole point of having a bad guy who's "The Ultimate Evil, Personified" is that he actually has to... y'know... BE evil. And yeah, some of those corpses do have to be Main Eventers or else you're just screwing around. It's all part of telling stories.

Frankly, if I were booking it, and I knew that this was "the end" of this universe and my job was to wipe the slate clean before the next reboot, I might've gone even farther with it. Because it ultimately doesn't matter, this book is gonna be closed; might as well go out in a blaze of glory. I'd probably have it literally come down to every one of the heroes being dead except Superman, and then he ends up fighting Darkseid in a battle so ferocious that it triggers a new Big Bang and restarts the entire DCU anew. Because then Darkseid looks like a huge piece of sh*t and Superman looks even more heroic for finally stopping him.

It's like, either a person wants "safe" stories or they're okay with taking a ride. I, personally, have always been a big fan of rollercoasters, both literally and metaphorically. And a rollercoaster without dips or loops isn't much of a ride. That's my two cents.
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Old 05-11-2020, 01:29 PM   #1525
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My LCS got The Green Lantern#3 in over the weekend. Sharp's art is different than the normal, but the art here makes you think its a different person. I had to check the credits. Looks like COIE character Lardy Quark is taking a dark turn.

Can someone remind me what General Stone's role is? I think he was in two storylines between GL: Rebirth and Blackest Night and that is it.

Powerlord, is this a forgotten villain of yesteryear like how Starbreaker or his daughter rather was in the previous storyline? Hyperboy and Princess Illustra? Is this Sunboy adn Princess Projectra of the Legion of Superheroes? Grant has a way of pulling out the obscure even stuff that alludes me.

Was it ever addressed why it is referred to as Season One and Season 2 and the Blackstars mini is not a part of the same title? It would be easier to just have it be The Green Lantern#18. Silly numbering.
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Looking at solicits is Detective Comics back to being a bi-weekly? The plan after January was to drop it back to a monthly.
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So the brains behind the Suicide Squad this time is...Ted Kord, looking like they Maxwell Lorded 'em
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So the brains behind the Suicide Squad this time is...Ted Kord, looking like they Maxwell Lorded 'em
In the comics? I thought he finally returned to his costume in Heroes In Crisis to help clear Booster Gold's name.
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In the comics? I thought he finally returned to his costume in Heroes In Crisis to help clear Booster Gold's name.
Last I checked, he did, but no, now he's torturing the Squad.
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Last I checked, he did, but no, now he's torturing the Squad.
My younger brother is a big Blue and Gold fan. So New 52 revived him as a mentor to the Reyes character and he was alive, but not in costume again until Heroes in Crisis and this is his next appearance afterward? So after Countdown only the two or three HiC in costume?
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DC are finally promoting BB and Rae's romance in comics again with a new YA OGN

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I only follow select characters so if they are involved in highlights related to Dick Grayson I know about it, but since when were these two a couple? Wally crushed on her before moving on with the future Magenta, but Changeling only had eyes for Terra not knowing she was corrupt. I don't recall any other specific romantic interest. So there is room for it getting past me, its just their pairing seems out there.

DO we have a full list of solicits now that Diamond starts up next week? Curious as to when Justice League, Batgirl, Detective Comics, and The Green Lantern are being released. So far just The Green Lantern has been released.
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I only follow select characters so if they are involved in highlights related to Dick Grayson I know about it, but since when were these two a couple? Wally crushed on her before moving on with the future Magenta, but Changeling only had eyes for Terra not knowing she was corrupt. I don't recall any other specific romantic interest. So there is room for it getting past me, its just their pairing seems out there.
BB and Raven have been romantically linked since 2005 when Geoff Johns was writing Titans. It's origins actually date back to the Teen Titans animated series in the 2000s when the creative team wrote the pair of them in such an 'opposites' manner that they unknowingly convinced fans they had phenomenal chemistry together.

Terra was in the cartoon too, and was Gar's official love interest in the show, he and Raven never got together in the series, they had the occasional hug and moments of closeness, but Raven always kept her distance. Nevertheless, the fan reaction was so big DC couldn't ignore it, and Johns apparently liked it so much he made it canon

From late 2005 through to 2011 they would be on and off again depending on who was handling the book, but the most telling moment for the fans was that DC allowed them to become the endgame pairing just prior to Flahspoint, ending the post-Crisis era as a couple.

They haven't been together since then, just very close friends, but the animated series Teen Titans Go took up the baton and kept promoting the two as an on/off couple. Terra is also in the show as the occasional interest for Garfield too, but she's only a recurring character, and he and Raven are the prevalent pairing in that show.

I think the live-action Titans show may have teased the two as having a relationship also, but I don't watch that. It makes sense given Johns is showrunner of that though, since he made the two a legit pairing in the comics.

This OGN marks the first time DC have explored the pair as a couple in a comic since 2011, so it's been a long wait.

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DO we have a full list of solicits now that Diamond starts up next week? Curious as to when Justice League, Batgirl, Detective Comics, and The Green Lantern are being released. So far just The Green Lantern has been released.
We do have a set of August solicitations, most of it are just re-solicited from the previous month though, so nothing really 'new', that'll all be in September solicits I imagine.

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BB and Raven have been romantically linked since 2005 when Geoff Johns was writing Titans. It's origins actually date back to the Teen Titans animated series in the 2000s when the creative team wrote the pair of them in such an 'opposites' manner that they unknowingly convinced fans they had phenomenal chemistry together.

Terra was in the cartoon too, and was Gar's official love interest in the show, he and Raven never got together in the series, they had the occasional hug and moments of closeness, but Raven always kept her distance. Nevertheless, the fan reaction was so big DC couldn't ignore it, and Johns apparently liked it so much he made it canon

From late 2005 through to 2011 they would be on and off again depending on who was handling the book, but the most telling moment for the fans was that DC allowed them to become the endgame pairing just prior to Flahspoint, ending the post-Crisis era as a couple.

They haven't been together since then, just very close friends, but the animated series Teen Titans Go took up the baton and kept promoting the two as an on/off couple. Terra is also in the show as the occasional interest for Garfield too, but she's only a recurring character, and he and Raven are the prevalent pairing in that show.

I think the live-action Titans show may have teased the two as having a relationship also, but I don't watch that. It makes sense given Johns is showrunner of that though, since he made the two a legit pairing in the comics.

This OGN marks the first time DC have explored the pair as a couple in a comic since 2011, so it's been a long wait.



We do have a set of August solicitations, most of it are just re-solicited from the previous month though, so nothing really 'new', that'll all be in September solicits I imagine.
It is something I overlooked since it did not involve Dick Grayson in most of those plots. Reminds me of the 'where did that pairing come from?' with Shaggy and Velma. Just because the other two are a pair? I never thought of the two as having chemistry however most of what I read of the characters comes from the first 55 issues of New Teen Titans and I hate the Robin/Starfire pairing and something could have developed later.

Link June solicits for DC if you could. I believe Justice League's first issue since the pandemic is this week and Detective Comics comes out next week.
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Link June solicits for DC if you could.
Here's the revised schedule

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Detective Comics#1006/#1007 with Spectre is this after Justice League#45-#47?
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So the brains behind the Suicide Squad this time is...Ted Kord, looking like they Maxwell Lorded 'em
Any bothering of an explanation for how he found the cure for his brains getting splattered about?
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Any bothering of an explanation for how he found the cure for his brains getting splattered about?
Flashpoints/Manhattan/Supermen merging, take your pick. Although if you ask Ted, he doesn't believe in any of that if you read today's Action Comics.

Meanwhile, that Birds of Prey one-shot from Black Label doesn't even bother with an actual ending...situation is completely unresolved and the final few pages are this bizarre relationship drama between Harley and Joker.

Catwoman's 80th...Helena Wayne is born, and Selina falls in love with being a mother to her. We flash forward to when Helena's a grown woman and Selina is now widowed (follow-up to Batman Annual#2) where mother and daughter share a moment. No idea if this is still meant to be canonical or not.
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So Bendis appeared on a podcast basically indicating he's coming to the end of his run on Superman, and the podcast was pulled because he was 'too upbeat' and it didn't fit the mood of the country.

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Latest rumours of yet another re imagining for Batman and Superman as part of a digital first launch that is as big in scope as 5G was supposed to be. Warren Ellis, Matt Fraction and Eisner-nominated Marvel writer Chip Zdarsky are among the names involved.

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