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View Poll Results: Why don't the TMNT use guns?
Splinter made them not 2 8.00%
They don't like them 7 28.00%
They look at guns as "cheating" 4 16.00%
They haven't found the right ones 1 4.00%
They will, at times 8 32.00%
Other reason: _________ 3 12.00%
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:02 PM   #1
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Why don't the TMNT use guns? Like, often?



I'm really only talking in terms of the TMNT universes in which they have no qualms about killing their opponents/enemies (which is... just the one), but we can talk about why they wouldn't use guns elsewhere, too.

I mean... what is it? We've seen them very sparingly use guns, but why not at least pack a pistol sidearm, just in case? Not stealthy enough? Are we to think that they have some strange aversion to guns in general? Don't say it's "honor," because that's dumb for a variety of reasons.

I know the Archie series has the ongoing thing with the Turtles, Leonardo largely, going around saying, "I hate guns!" but that's just the Archie series.
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:11 PM   #2
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If they are true ninjas, guns are just like any other tool; they will use them when a situation calls for it. The lack of gun usage from the turtles is probably from the western stereotype that ninjas only use feudal-era weapons that the writers inject into the stories.
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:29 PM   #3
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I've always assumed because stealth. Donnie used the gun to save Karai in City at War, of course, and was disgusted by himself for using it after. Except... it's just a tool, Don? And you've killed plenty of other people without guns?

And Raph got to gun down plenty of mobsters in Image, and... he also felt pretty disgusted with himself afterwards. (I won't bother discussing Bodycount. Silly stuff there.)

I dunno. Probably just writers trying to lean into the "heroes don't use guns" stereotype from Batman et al.

I'd love to see an "Elseworlds" TMNT story with guns. Maybe the Turtles gunning down some hapless ninja who brought knives to a gunfight.
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:50 PM   #4
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There is absolutely no reason for the tmnt not to use guns (or laser weapons, if its a non violent universe), when they have the chance.

Why they don't use guns at times I would pin down to guns not being readily available to them or bad writing.
Even when using stealth, it is best to have a gun with you, just in case.
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Old 07-11-2019, 02:52 PM   #5
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Because we all know historically, Ninjas never used guns.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:06 PM   #6
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Cause (usually western) Pop-Culture depicts Ninjas using East Asian medieval weapons with a sprinkle of South Asian melee weaponry.

It's not like Shinobi had techniques with barrel cleaning bullets, double shot techniques with flintlock guns, land mines, rocket launchers, fire bombs or grenades...

Better stick with fantasy swords and bladed Sai
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:02 PM   #7
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Wouldn't be the same watching them shoot from hiding places instead of watching their fighting skills. (obviously you meant where necessary rather than solely)

Cutting out the toons cause they can't have real guns (and massive fingers, though it didn't stop them using everything else) Maybe in the comics or an adult show that fans wait in hope for.

I'd say not much, their art preferred? kinda like how the Jedi like to use a lightsaber and skills rather than blasters.

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Old 07-12-2019, 06:39 AM   #8
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There is absolutely no reason for the tmnt not to use guns (or laser weapons, if its a non violent universe), when they have the chance.

Why they don't use guns at times I would pin down to guns not being readily available to them or bad writing.
Even when using stealth, it is best to have a gun with you, just in case.
There's even a red sky episode where Raphael(I think) suggested them to use laser blasters to fight Dregg, but he never learned to aim and shoot properly.
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Old 07-12-2019, 07:30 AM   #9
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It’s a good question with no real suitable answer within the fiction. But the truth lies in the fact that we really like sword fights.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:47 AM   #10
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The Evil Turtles in the Fleetway Comics are seen robbing banks with rifles

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Old 07-12-2019, 01:08 PM   #11
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I suppose, when trying to adapt the turtles to a somewhat "grounded" setting, the size of their fingers could be a suitable explanation.

The turtles would pick up guns from The Foot and use them, if they could even fit their finger on the trigger. They have to work with what they've got. Done.
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Old 07-12-2019, 01:13 PM   #12
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Hmm... Raph could technically slip the prong of a sai in there, though that might make for a bit less accurate, albeit interesting-looking, use.
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Old 07-12-2019, 01:15 PM   #13
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I suppose, when trying to adapt the turtles to a somewhat "grounded" setting, the size of their fingers could be a suitable explanation.

The turtles would pick up guns from The Foot and use them, if they could even fit their finger on the trigger. They have to work with what they've got. Done.
If we want to get technical...I doubt those Turtle paws could wield ninja-weapons either..
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:34 PM   #14
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The Evil Turtles in the Fleetway Comics are seen robbing banks with rifles
I miss Fleetway's comics.

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Being print, I guess they're totally silent.
Apart from the victim going "Ugghh" of course.

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Yeah depending on the cartoon, the villains have a better chance of actually hitting their target if they use stun' laser or knockout beans or whatever than if they use actual bullets. I think Bebop and Rocksteady used bullets in season 1 but they never hit their target.
They obviously took lessons at the Galactic Empire School of Target Practice.

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There's even a red sky episode where Raphael(I think) suggested them to use laser blasters to fight Dregg, but he never learned to aim and shoot properly.
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I know the Archie series has the ongoing thing with the Turtles, Leonardo largely, going around saying, "I hate guns!" but that's just the Archie series.
Future Donatello in the Archie Comics had no problems with guns (even if it was a laser).
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Perhaps in elseworlds stories they might.
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Old 07-12-2019, 04:37 AM   #17
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It’s kinda pretty much covered in the ot season 9 episode “The New Mutations”:

Raphael asks “why can’t you two geniuses whip up a couple of sci fi blasters?”
Leonardo says “We’re ninjas, we don’t use blasters.”
Raphael “Aw come on, who wrote that rule?”

Then Splinter gives advice that virtue assures victory, not weapons and strength, and that their valor will defeat Dregg, not brute force.
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I'm really only talking in terms of the TMNT universes in which they have no qualms about killing their opponents/enemies (which is... just the one), but we can talk about why they wouldn't use guns elsewhere, too.

I mean... what is it? We've seen them very sparingly use guns, but why not at least pack a pistol sidearm, just in case? Not stealthy enough? Are we to think that they have some strange aversion to guns in general? Don't say it's "honor," because that's dumb for a variety of reasons.

I know the Archie series has the ongoing thing with the Turtles, Leonardo largely, going around saying, "I hate guns!" but that's just the Archie series.
They live in NYC & can't exactly get finger printed & background checked for permits...🤷*♂️😂
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They live in NYC & can't exactly get finger printed & background checked for permits...🤷*♂️😂
Yeah I was gonna bring this up, kinda. Guns are tracked. You can do things to prevent that, yes, but even Mirage writers might ask themselves if they want to depict the turtles filing serials off a gun. The TMNT are generally depicted as being fairly lawless but that might just be a bit "too far" for the mood, I guess?

Fingers vs trigger guard is a very real answer too, so is a lack of training, even the stealth argument. Guns are loud. and leave behind more trackable evidence. You need to train with them to get good, which would involve...being very loud, a lot. Someone might eventually notice a shooting range being operated in the sewers?

There's also the concern of ammo. They would have to get more fairly often, so there's another thing onto the "where do they get food/power/weapons/etc" argument that already exists. There are probably also issues with storing ammo in a sewer but I don't know that much about it.

Now why they wouldn't keep around some scifi guns from their various space adventures in case...I dunno, maybe they require some kind of charging infrastructure they don't have back on earth.

Donatello could probably rig up some kind of Predator shoulder mounted thing if he wanted to though.
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Old 07-16-2019, 07:50 AM   #20
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I voted they dont like them but I think it's a combination of that and splinter made them not to. In most universes thier training is about teaching them to defend themselves from a world that would be hostile to them based on thier appearance. In those universes thier m.o. is simple protection and defense both for themselves and others/the city (or the world) depending on the story. They dont want to actually have to kill anybody intentionally and that's all guns are good for.
In the context of mirage yeah they were trained to kill but I still think they have an aversion to casually doing it. I actually do think it comes down to honor in a way. It's one thing to be in a fight for your life and ending another as a consequence of straight up superior physical combat skills. Its another to simply point aim and pull a trigger. I imagine that for them of you're going to result to ending someone's existence it should mean something and it should be hard to do. Just look at donnie's reaction in city at war. Dudes seen visceral violence and death before. Why would he be so disgusted if not for both the casual ending of life with the most minimal effort possible and his own shame at having to result to that to save his own.

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Punisher, goes without saying. Captain America, at times. Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier, of course. Almost every Image character ever, including Spawn and Savage Dragon. Rocket Raccoon. Wild Dog. Jonah Hex. Judge Dredd. Green Lantern Simon Baz. Star-Lord. Black Widow. Cable. Bishop.

And so on and so on.
Context though. A few of those were soldiers/spies whose training would've unavoidably consisted of learning to use firearms for the defense.
Alot of the others are from the 90's when
comics were going through thier edgy EXTREME phase and a character wasnt cool unless they were a walking armory

Jonah hex is a cowboy

I've heard judge dredd described as a parody of American comics and imagery

Starlords guns dont shoot bullets

What other options does Rocket Racoon have. Bite you and give you rabies?

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