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Same here. But to reiterate that's kinda the point of this thread. Everybody has their own opinion of how the TMNT should and shouldn't be depicted. Despite how I feel in regards to Andrew's negative opinions on the cartoons and movies, I do agree with him on the matter of how the Ninja Turtles themselves should be treated with more respect.
We both would like to see them show more of Michelangelo's creative side in the mainstream media. I remember in the pilot episode of the 4Kids cartoon right after the Mousers showed up and demolished their original lair, he actually broke into a short poem, which I felt was really sweet and I wish they had made him more like that throughout the series. And don't even get me started on how in the Nickelodeon cartoon he constantly goes "full retard" as Robert Downey Jr. might say.
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Anyway, for those of you interested in constructive criticism, here's a fanart that I really like and would think suits the TMNT as they are depicted in the IDW comic books. Mr Waltz and Curnow, please give it a try. Spoiler:
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Dude, that's awesome!!!
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Turtles wearing clothing regularly is retarded. I can only accept it when they go above ground and are disguising themselves among humans.
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LEONARDO: "I can barely move in these things. What is the deal with humans and clothes?" RAPHAEL: "Ever seen a human in his skivvies? Trust me, it ain't a pretty sight." I'm guessing Raph saw that ugly hooker Andrew tried to set me up with, LOL!!!
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How do you quantify this? For example, if it was "75% Fred Wolf, 10% Archie", wouldn't April be a reporter? If anything there's more of 4kids in the series than there is Archie.
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All right, let me think on it a little more reason-minded... Mirage 10%, Fred Wolf 70%, Archie 5%, 4Kids 10%, and 5% entirely original material/characters/Kevin Eastmanisms (parkour ninjas and such). Yeah. That seems about right. Still 80% crap.
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Dude, you're like the Jerry Seinfeld of this place... though I guess that makes me George Costanza!!!
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IDW is my favorite TMNT incarnation. If I controlled TMNT, the entire franchise would be modeled on that comic series. And the IDW series is not 80% crap. The idea the IDW series is 80% crap is an opinion only one or maybe two or three members of the turtles fanbase has, and it's not fact. Also the opinion it's crap is an opinion the rest of the TMNT fanbase does not share.
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Andrew HAS to be abrasive. He's the TMNT fan elite... and thinks he's a purish in some narrow minded way....
Those splits of what IDW's TMNT is... is horrible. It's got more Fred Wolf in there than anything, but not by that much man. I'd say it's more like this... from the IDW Comic perspective. 20% Mirage 40% Fred Wolf 10% Archie 15% 2003 tmnt 15% new vibe/new things |
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I think it's a bit of a stretch to be 40% FW. So far as I can think, Krang, the Technodrome, and (Shredder being mostly responsible for) Bebop and Rocksteady are the biggest aspects I can name, but they really don't cover 40%. Especially while Krang and Shredder aren't working together.
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I feel as if in funny a way Andrew and I both share this difficulty with accepting when people do that. I remember there was a time we both resented certain individuals from TMNT-L for writing us and the fandom off completely, and that might've ultimately contributed to his current feelings in regards to specific interpretations of the TMNT. On the other hand, maybe he just grew out of kiddie cartoons!
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While it's hard to pin down to a percentage, because of how you can't really put a percentage writing and art style, even less so with revisions. The only concrete thing we have is tracking down series of origin for the characters and that can be kind of weird...
...Bah, screw it, let's pretend this isn't nebulus and try to put an actual percentage on this: Mirage
Fred Wolf (this might be a bit unclear given the overlap with Archie and the toyline, let's just give most of the "toy" characters to Archie they made better use of them):
Archie (again, not sure if I really should put someone like Mondo here given the overlap but I'll do it based on how how the characters were used.)
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And that's about as many as I can list and almost feel comfortable with, I don't really feel it's fair to list the individual Neutrinos or cameos like Wingnut, but if we want to challenge the "70% FW" estimate, fine. This has 16 Mirage characters, 15 FW characters, 9 Archie characters, 6 4Kids characters and 15 Original ones which adds up to 61 characters total . I think you can already figure out the rough results but let's go ahead anyway: 26% Mirage 25% FW 14% Archie 10% 4Kids 25% Original Not the exact percentage but a rough estimate, a much more even spread than what Andrew initially put forth. Let's alter the FW and Archie groups to increase the percentage of FW characters, add all the overlapping characters to the FW group: 32% FW 6% Archie The FW characters, while now making up the majority, still isn't 70%. It's not even above 50%. Now again, this actually up in the air and a lot of these characters are basically just given cameo roles. Like I said before, I don't think you can really put a number on influence and my sample size isn't all the characters but if we have to try, at least this isn't quite as arbitrary as just proclaiming 70%. Edit: Dear God this is long now that I look at it. TL;DR, A rough quarter of the characters are Mirage Originals, two fifths are certainly not FW characters and only about a third CAN be thought of as FW characters. The actual amount of influence can't really be pinned down though, that's not how art works.
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Yeah, neatoman is right. Also if you count the Neutrinos all as one unit rather than 6 separate characters, then the percentage goes down even more. You can probably do the same for Traag/Granitor since they're indistinguishable as characters.
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Also,how would the individual utroms be counted from Krang's father to Ch'rell's sister and the others? Also Detective Sara Lewis and Officer Lin. Time will tell if Officer Lin is a one-shot character due to Lewis not being in the line of work that would have allowed her to invesitgate the sewers.
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Holy crap, I just noticed I missed Donatello of all characters!
Oh well, adding one more character would only cause a slight shift in percentage. It's not meant to be a complete list or even an accurate measurement, it's just meant to show that you can't really say it's mostly Fred Wolf inspired, I even tipped groupings in favor of the Fred Wolf cartoon and I still only came up with 25-32% Like you guys said, if I were to group in characters that aren't really individuals and scratch cameos, the results would look more like this: Mirage, 30% FW, 20% Archie, 13% 4Kids, 10% Original, 27% |
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I mean, is IDW Mikey more like FW Mikey or more like Mirage Mikey? It's not even close. Donnie? Pfft. And what about things like pizza obsession? I wonder what universe started that...
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Though I wouldn't really agree the characters are more similar to their FW counterparts. The pizza thing is there but it's not really highlighted and it's at no point implied their diet only consists of pizza. Silly things like that aside, when was the last time FW Shredder stabbed someone in the gut to prove a point? Or FW Baxter was confident? Even FW originals like Krang don't come across like their original counterparts. But fine, let's paint a grossly unfair picture here and assume all the characters are more similar to their cartoon counterparts: FW
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Oh gee, look at that: 50% FW, 20% 4Kids, 6% Archie, 24% Original and literally 0% Mirage. Ain't that bitch! If only they could have remember great characters like... Uhm... Radical? And... Uh... Gosei? |
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I'd say he's more similar to Mirage, but not close enough. But he's still very vastly different from FW Mike.
To say that IDW shares the most trends in common with FW is...in a video. The pizza obsession is virtually absent, save for the very beginning where they were literally depending on it for survival, and it's not even an obsession. Michelangelo doesn't even make pizza from scratch and put unthinkable toppings on it (the kid can't even make toast without burning it to a crisp). Save for some characters and one storyline, it doesn't really connect all that much. Krang and Shredder hate each others' guts and have repeatedly shown that they'd rather tear each other apart rather than work together. And the Attack on Neutrino - the one storyline that I can think of that is exclusively from FW - only shares a few threads of story. The turtles protect the princess, yes. But she's not a baby with a "silly baby, you have magic; silly baby, you can't go climbing out windows" story. Krang captured her parents, yes, but they didn't escape from him. Also, the Utroms as were mentioned earlier and a few others make an additional eight original characters. Mirage
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16 Mirage characters, 15 FW characters, 9 Archie characters, 6 4Kids characters and 23 Original ones which adds up to 69 characters total.
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