Shredder's Motivation

*MikeandRaph87* · 10-13-2019, 12:17 PM

The Shredder is the consistent greatest nemesis, but he has varied in motivation by incarnation. In the '87 cartoon his motivation is world domination, he is essentially power hungry. In the 2003 cartoon he as Ch'rell prefers to destroy opposed to rule. In the 2012 cartoon he is driven by revenge wanting to put an end to Splinter above all else. In IDW he leans towards domination with a twisted sense of honor. Archie while taking a different path The Shredder like the '87 cartoon leans towards a power hungry would be conqueror. The films never make it entirely clear, a mix of domination as the head of a criminal syndicate and revenge. What should Shredder's motivate be? Adapt for the incarnation? Should it be locked in as one of the options stated above or something else? I personally like the idea of him being a villain interested in domination, but it is the 1987 cartoon version that made me love the character. Its hard for me to see The Shredder wanting the world to end like he attempted as Ch'rell in Turtles Forever and allowed for if he got see Splinter's demise in the 2012 cartoon. "What profit is there to be made if the world ends?" , Kingpin pointed out once. Thoughts on the shifting motivation(s) of The Shredder?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 10-13-2019, 02:30 PM

How about a weaker alliance between Shredder and Krang. Shredder wants to conquer Earth, and revenge on the turtles and Splinter, while Krang wants to conquer Dimension X or the Theta Galaxy (which would lead to trouble for the turtles' good Utroms or Neutrino friends).

*newfan* · 10-13-2019, 02:43 PM

I'd take both power and a degree of revenge but not in extremes. There needs to be a degree of reason there even if he is weakened/flawed by his obsession(whichever one). Obviously tone and the story they want to tell would vary.

I know he wasn't around much in mirage but what was he like there between killing Yoshi and then getting killed himself?

*pferreira* · 10-24-2019, 04:13 PM

Revenge as a motivation only works in small doses. If a villain is to last a while he or she needs to have something more.

10-13-2019, 12:17 PM	#1
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,127	Shredder's Motivation The Shredder is the consistent greatest nemesis, but he has varied in motivation by incarnation. In the '87 cartoon his motivation is world domination, he is essentially power hungry. In the 2003 cartoon he as Ch'rell prefers to destroy opposed to rule. In the 2012 cartoon he is driven by revenge wanting to put an end to Splinter above all else. In IDW he leans towards domination with a twisted sense of honor. Archie while taking a different path The Shredder like the '87 cartoon leans towards a power hungry would be conqueror. The films never make it entirely clear, a mix of domination as the head of a criminal syndicate and revenge. What should Shredder's motivate be? Adapt for the incarnation? Should it be locked in as one of the options stated above or something else? I personally like the idea of him being a villain interested in domination, but it is the 1987 cartoon version that made me love the character. Its hard for me to see The Shredder wanting the world to end like he attempted as Ch'rell in Turtles Forever and allowed for if he got see Splinter's demise in the 2012 cartoon. "What profit is there to be made if the world ends?" , Kingpin pointed out once. Thoughts on the shifting motivation(s) of The Shredder? __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

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10-13-2019, 02:30 PM	#2
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,154	How about a weaker alliance between Shredder and Krang. Shredder wants to conquer Earth, and revenge on the turtles and Splinter, while Krang wants to conquer Dimension X or the Theta Galaxy (which would lead to trouble for the turtles' good Utroms or Neutrino friends).

10-13-2019, 02:43 PM	#3
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	I'd take both power and a degree of revenge but not in extremes. There needs to be a degree of reason there even if he is weakened/flawed by his obsession(whichever one). Obviously tone and the story they want to tell would vary. I know he wasn't around much in mirage but what was he like there between killing Yoshi and then getting killed himself?

10-24-2019, 04:13 PM	#4
pferreira Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,514	Revenge as a motivation only works in small doses. If a villain is to last a while he or she needs to have something more.