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Portugal has barely any Jews. They all got progrommed, expelled or forced to convert to Christianity. And then the Inquisition came and we all know how much they loved the Jews, don't we? Most of the Portuguese Jews escaped to other places, primarily the Netherlands. "Mongrel ass" just became you have roots from two different countries? By that logic 90% of Americans are "mongrel asses" no? |
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Yeah, but you can't argue logic with a hatemonger. Hitler was half-Jewish, lest we forget.
Once you pick out a group of people to blame all society's ills on, "logical though" isn't gonna be part of the discussion anymore.
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Hitler being half-Jewish is one of those myths. The sheer irony of it makes it a rumor that's not hard to believe, but I've never seen any conclusive evidence of that. Half Jewish implies one of his parents being Jewish, neither were. Ofc you go back 200-300 years you might find ONE Jewish ancestor in his large family tree, but that would apply to many other Europeans in that region as well. And when you're going back 200-300 years it no longer matters. I could have had a German or a Russian ancestor from the 17th century, for all I know, but clearly I was not influenced by those cultures at all.
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Oh I'unno, I swear I'd read something about it again recently, but you might be right.
It's not like I go out of my way to keep up on it. The broader point still stands, I maintain: Logic and hate-mongering don't go together. I hope Hitler still only had one ball, I don't think I could take it if that were disproven.
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A quick google search about Hitler only having one testicle tells me that... that's true, according to a German historian, at least. I don't feel like reading the articles, but I hope he used medical reports to confirm that. Here's two other Hitler myths tho: 1) He wanted to destroy paris: Nah. He'd have done it if he truly wanted to. 2) He was very short. No, he was 1,75m which is 5'9 in imperial. Back in the first half of the 20th century that was the average height for a European man. Goebbels was much shorter. 165cm or 5'5. And he limped. Some master race specimen As for your point, yes ofc. A lot of hate mongers aren't very bright. I remember a few years ago, reading about a woman and her kids at a WWE show insulting Roman Reigns... by calling him the n-word. Let's remind ourselves that Reigns is Samoan and not Black. So if you're gonna insult a guy at least use the proper slur. |
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I once saw a girl throw that word at a couple of clearly Hispanic kids, who were from the Caribbean, no less.
We were all like 5, but still. Once people decide, "I don't like you", the rest is whatever they want it to be.
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A lot of Europeans nowadays use that word online, even as just a noun for Black people. Because, for one thing, it upsets a lot of people and kids and young people are assholes in general. Second, tons of European nations barely have any Black people and don't have a history of slavery and colonialism thus don't feel much guilt for being racist against Blacks.
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Leo has a few interesting points, though I think it might be over-generalizing a bit. But my earlier point stands, that history itself will eventually prove who is right or wrong on any given issue. Differences of ideology aside, both sides can only ever be "right" if history shows that their approach and/or views were more beneficial. But it's arrogant for either side to proclaim such prematurely.
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First, everyone is prejudiced. There's no escaping that. If I think I'm going to meet a lot of Irish out drinking on St. Pat's, that's prejudiced, but not racist. There's nothing inherently wrong or harmful about prejudging what demographic is going to demonstrate certain behaviors. Racism is oppression. That's shutting down the bars on St. Pat's to bar the Irish from celebrating their culture. And while we can certainly find instances of "liberal" figures being racist, the current trend is for the GOP and the alt-right to be engaged in racism. That's what the idea of "Right Side of History" means in this context. Deliberately trying to hurt other groups based on some negative trait unfairly attributed to them is wrong. Currently, the GOP and the alt-right are running on a political platform that is racist. Muslims bans. Building a wall to stop immigrants. Voter laws that primarily affect voters, making it prohibitively difficult for them to participate in elections. And this is just a few things off the top of my head. And it brings me to the next point: Affirmative Action Every few years there's a bit of an uproar over this. That it unfairly stacks the deck, or that it belittles minorities. Perhaps that's true. The problem is that we need it. Despite great strides made in racial equality, racism is still a big issue. There's a vast disparity between suburban (white) and urban (black) schools in America. It's leading to a new era of segregation that goes unnoticed because while the doors are open for social mobility, the general tools and disciplines are not present for inner city residents to make that move. Obviously, this lends itself to the argument that it's the fault of the blacks for not being able to seize the opportunity. However, THAT'S the racist part. The idea that blacks in America are just predisposed to being lazy leads to harmful action against them. Here's where we get the "welfare queen" dog whistles, the "bad hombre" rhetoric that Trump uses to characterize Latinos. The current state of minorities in America is affected by past racial thought and current racial practices. It's true, social mobility is possible. There are a number of minorities who can rise out of the squalor of the ghetto. But the fact of the matter remains that it's incredibly difficult to do so. It's essentially saying, "you are good enough, but you'll be too busy working three jobs to feed your siblings to actually show us." Finally, are "liberals" on the right side of history? It depends on what a "liberal" is. That's a pretty broad term that needs a solid definition. Are we talking about "don't assume my gender", open chakra, raw water chugging weirdos who believe they can astral project themselves? Or are we talking about people like me, who believe that gays should be allowed to marry and that we're not getting much by bombing the **** out of the Middle East? I typically lean left. And that doesn't mean I attach myself to a single political figure, or condone certain actions simply because a politician did something. I'm against Obama's bailing out the banks, bombing Syria, and increasing drone strikes. I think that's bad. But that doesn't mean I can't support the good policies he pushed as well. In the end, this requires a far more nuanced argument. If you feel targeted by not "being on the right side of history", give a long good think about what the really means in the context of how we're treating other human beings.
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The travel ban did not target Muslim countries, but radical countries and a response to San Burnidino as North Korea imprisoning Americans. Non Muslim countries were also on the list, but the democratic party saw an opportunity..... Also public schools is not an issue of racial equality, but class equality. If you ever go to appellation states that are prodominantly white they a much poorer than most inner city schools by far and are worse. Also Affirmative Action is a racist and sexiest practice that hurts many people, but it does help as well. Its essentially a double edge sword. I do agree that is was needed in the past. In the present I really don't think so as much. I do agree with your view on prejudice. Everyone has them. Prejudice comes from mental schemas that we cognitively develop through out our entire life and perfectly natural. These schemas are essentially a mental shortcut. Seeing a lot of good opinions and points in this thread.
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Especially, since that slogan or its variations were used by almost every other movement in the past and most of those movements didn't had interests of people in mind. Last edited by Sumac; 12-09-2018 at 07:19 AM. |
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These are buzzwords created within a narrative to incite outrage that has very little to do with the reality of the situation and you appear to be drinking the kool-aid. But you also appear to be intelligent so I would love to hear you out. That said, it is strange the countries omitted from the travel restrictions, given all of the data. But then, I don't have the data that the White House has on the bigger picture of things. But also, neither does CNN or Rachel Maddow. Quote:
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But is that racism? On the left, we have white politicians all the time either pretending to be overly Mexican to win the Mexican vote or pretend to be all about Mexican immigrants -- illegal or not -- because they know they're prevalent in their given state and know that's the right move politically to get them the most votes. Happens all the time. California literally had a mayor change his last name to a Hispanic name at the time of his election to win votes and it did. Surely racial exploitation rates even worse? Quote:
It is as false as it is dangerous, creating an idea in heads that ultimately says, "Why even try, if there's no point?" Also, while I'm positive there is legit examples of racism in the US (the distinction being, while there is racism IN the country, it is not a racist country... there is a narrative now to the opposite, largely angry at Trump), the actual examples cited by people of actual racism encountered in people's day to day lives in a given week is... laughable? Highly questionable? Quote:
It's like... the left, I'll make you a deal. If you stop being weird about "social justice" and illegal immigration and crazy gun stuff, I would get behind you again. Conversely, the right, shut the f*** up about going after women and abortion and reproductive stuff, wake up about the environment and education, stop bible thumping and I could get behind you 100%, too. I suspect neither side will bend to my wishes, so here I am sort of in a limbo. Forced to pick the lesser of two semi-not-really-evils. And that's the thing now... like, "PICK YOUR SIDE!" even if you only agree with 60% of what they preach... which people still find attractive, because we're in an era where people want to belong to something, anything. Though particularly at this point in US history, I think I am glad both are in place to keep both sides in check, because if either had full power it would be insanity. But... at this juncture I absolutely think it would be 200% crazier if the left 100% had their way.
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The "bad" kids carried it all through life and stayed that way, getting arrested hundreds of times, never getting a real job, some of them are dead, and so on. The ones who stayed in school and stayed out of trouble were, and are, doing quite well for themselves. But that was the minority of that minority, so to speak. Running into them as adults, they'd tell you to a man there was "No point" in sticking to the straight and narrow, because everything was stacked against them from the start, so being a goddamn criminal was "the only way to survive", which is horse sh*t. But usually, you'd find out they learned it from their parents, who usually ALSO didn't work and had very poor opinions about "the system". Just like racism can be passed down from generation to generation, so is Minority Victim Culture. "White people won't let us get ahead, so there's no point in trying to do things 'their way'." Even when I joined the work force a lot of black people I worked with were using their "real" job as a front for their parents or parole officer, while they were actually just drug dealers. Same story, "I ain't gonna waste my time at no McDonalds working for white people." That would be "oppression", mind you, and "they're better than that." Because selling poison is... better? It's bullsh*t, of course, but it's what some of them truly believe. Meanwhile, my boss came from down south, where who even KNOWS what kind of ACTUAL racism he had to go through, worked his way up in the financial industry and was making 6-7 figures, didn't like it, and now owns a few gyms that are doing well. And he's black. We don't always agree, but we DO agree that "victim culture" is bullsh*t, no matter what color you are. If you want to legitimately succeed in life, you'll find a way. It's like if you really wanna see racism and oppression everywhere you turn, you're gonna see it. And if you wanna use it as an excuse as to why you're a total failure at life, it's a convenient one. But I know for a fact it's not true, because I've seen people succeed. I've already mentioned my boss as an example. One of my clients is from Egypt, and she owns a pharmacy in a well-off neighborhood. To say nothing of all the people I interact with through wrestling, some of them making upwards of 6 figures. When you constantly meet and interact with successful people, of every color in the rainbow and every religion or creed under the sun, hearing that "The White Man holds everybody down" nonsense is beyond irritating. It simply isn't true, and as Andrew pointed out, repeating it does nothing but breed dissension and make people believe they're forever victims. That's where criminals and terrorists come from. It's dangerous thinking.
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I just think it's funny that the things people blast Trump for both Obama and Hillary did
Border wall? Hillary voted for it while she was a NY senator. Obama also supported it while he was Senator in Illinois. Obama separated children from their parents at the border. Obummer also used tear gas against fence hoppers. People really want to pretend Trump is somehow this unique or horrible force. Read history. Look at how Bill Clinton exploded the prison population. Look at how Hillary called black youths SUPER PREDATORS. Being a liberal doesn't put anyone on the right side of history. It just means they're easily duped by the corporate oligarchy that are manipulating stupid people through both social and traditional media. I used to be a progressive liberal. I thought they were the people with empathy and respect. I then read a little and realized that they're horrible. They just use PR firms to dress that horrible **** up in a nice little package. And, frankly, although I'm more right leaning, the right isn't any better really. You can look at the BS Bush 41 did with contra and the mideast. You can see what W did as well in Iraq. Quote:
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The Jewish population in Germany and Europe as a whole was much higher back then. They were a rather numerous minority and clearly high enough in numbers for people to fear or distrust them. After all, millions of Jews were killed in the Holocaust. So it wasn't that uncommon for someone from Central/Eastern Europe to have a Jewish relative in their family tree back then. That's probably why the nazis decided that, under Nuremberg Laws, a person had to have at least 3 Jewish grandparents in order to be considered Jewish by law. Because, if they considered anyone who had one single Jewish relative in their family tree to be Jewish they'd have killed EVEN MORE people. Last edited by Prowler; 12-12-2018 at 11:03 AM. |
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Hitler having a Jewish grandfather is highly inconclusive considering we don't know who Hitler's paternal grandfather is, since his dad Alois was registered as a illegitimate child with no father.
The rumor stems from Hitler's grandmother allegedly working as a servant for a Jewish family named Frankenberger in the town Graz, and she had a relationship with the family son. But there are no records of a Frankenberger in Graz, and further problems is that Jews where expelled from Styria where Graz is back in 1496 and wasn't allowed back into the state until 1856... When Hitler's dad was at the age of 19. And the whole Frankenbergers of Graz was a story that came from Hans Frank, Hitler's lawyer who got jaded with Hilter and Nazism but still was a huge anti-Semite. And Hans's story was full of janky contradictions. There was a headstone from a Jewish cemetery that read Adolf Hittler which have spun some conspiracy theories. But Hittler the hatter is unrelated to Hitler the dictator, which should have been a clear case considering Alois' first surname was Schicklgruber, and he changed his surname after his step-dad; Johann Georg Hiedler. But it got written as Hitler. There was a study in 2010 that tested saliva from relatives of Hitler, and in some tests they found a chromosome called E1b1b1 Haplogroup which is more common in Berbers (North Africans), Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, but it does appear in other ethnic groups. While the study is inconclusive, it'd probably be enough for the bastard to spin in his "grave". But, these stories are just too juicy to give up despite facts getting in the way. It's similar to the story that Albert Einstein failed in math or an apple fell on Newton's head. |
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