Renet, Savante, and TMNT III

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

You know, with the current state of TMNT movies, I suppose this is a moot point... but does anybody think if we ever get to a TMNT movie in a series with Renet and Savante, people will give it a chance? I'm afraid as soon as 'time scepter' and time traveling turtles are mentioned, people won't give it a chance becuse of TMNT 3. Also, does anyone think tmnt 3 would've been better with Renet instead of April, and Savante Romero trying to sell futuristic weapons to Norinaga instead of Walker? (yeah, I know, poor puppetry, but still....)

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Futuristic weapons from who?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Futuristic weapons from who?

Savante Romero

[IndigoErth]

Ehhhhh..... The frequent time jumping stuff that would even be the entire point of using them works better through episodes of a series, imo, and may be harder to incorporate into a film with a solid story. If a show spends 10 min in a medieval period, so be it; if a film does it...what was even the point, it wasn't even long enough to really enjoy that part or make it mean anything.

Savante Romero might also require an awful lot of time given to backstory so that uneducated viewers even get what he's about, rather than offering no info on the confusing situation of why it looks like the devil is traversing time and fighting the Turtles. Then add in Renet's needed backstory as well to explain what this odd ditzy woman has to do with it and why she isn't just some normal Earth person involved for an unknown reason.


That said, taken from Savante looking and being kind of demonic... now I want a Turtles vs The Underworld.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

You know, with the current state of TMNT movies, I suppose this is a moot point... but does anybody think if we ever get to a TMNT movie in a series with Renet and Savante, people will give it a chance? I'm afraid as soon as 'time scepter' and time traveling turtles are mentioned, people won't give it a chance becuse of TMNT 3. Also, does anyone think tmnt 3 would've been better with Renet instead of April, and Savante Romero trying to sell futuristic weapons to Norinaga instead of Walker? (yeah, I know, poor puppetry, but still....)

TMNT 3 would have been way better with Renet and Savanti and not April and FAKE Casey Jones.

[Ulisa]

I still stand by the idea that it wasn’t necessarily the ideas in TMNT III that were bad, it was the execution. I liked seeing some character development for Mikey though, it could have been done better.Time travel has all kinds of awesome potential in it and given that Savanti and Renet are knee deep in it, why not?

[Andrew NDB]

They should've taken more from Dooney's "Masks." The Turtles showing up and accidentally causing the creation of the Foot in Feudal Japan.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm not opposed to the idea of time travel, especially if its the sequel of a movie after Shredder being killed and they have to face his ancestors and the Original Foot Ninjas in Feudal Japan.

That being said, I think Shredder and Hamato Yoshis ancestors was a big missed opportunity in TMNT 3, instead we get Casey and Splinters ancestors for no reason and Walker as a villain.

[Ulisa]

A lot of people have mentioned before that a live action movie based off “Legend of Koji” from the OT would have been intriguing and I still tend to agree with that.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Ulisa

A lot of people have mentioned before that a live action movie based off “Legend of Koji” from the OT would have been intriguing and I still tend to agree with that.

Yeah. Guess which was better?

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Thats not the only reason I like it more.

It was also well written.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I never even noticed that TMNT II did less than half of the box office of TMNT I. Huh. Yeah, they should have learned. TMNT II definitely didn't underperform because of a lack of TMNT fans in 1991.

The sequels as expected all suffered from diminishing returns you'd expect from sequels but the second and third movie were by no means flops and made considerable profit.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by pferreira

The sequels as expected all suffered from diminishing returns you'd expect from sequels but the second and third movie were by no means flops and made considerable profit.

Not really. TMNT II had a production budget of 25 million... it's hard to speculate what the marketing budget would be in a movie in 1991, but let's say it's shockingly low and the same as the production budget, another 25 million. The movie made 78 million stateside. Going by the usual math (theaters taking their cuts), New Line/Golden Harvest took home about 60 million of that, probably less. That's 60 million against 50 million to make the movie. The overseas data on TMNT II and III is not known for some strange reason, but let's assume it performed proportionately the same as TMNT I did overseas, adjusted for the same decline seen domestically between films (TMNT I did 135 million domestically with an added 67 million overseas, TMNT II did 78 domestically)... that gives us another 40 million overseas. Cut that in half because you're losing half of the money on international ticket sales, that's another 20 million in the pot. 80 million against 50 million to make it. Not terrible but not a slam dunk, either.

TMNT III, only 4 million dollars less to make than TMNT II but it made only half the money. They probably did end up in the red on III, clawing to a breaking even point when it came time for home video sales and such.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Not really. TMNT II had a production budget of 25 million... it's hard to speculate what the marketing budget would be in a movie in 1991, but let's say it's shockingly low and the same as the production budget, another 25 million. The movie made 78 million stateside. Going by the usual math (theaters taking their cuts), New Line/Golden Harvest took home about 60 million of that, probably less. That's 60 million against 50 million to make the movie. The overseas data on TMNT II and III is not known for some strange reason, but let's assume it performed proportionately the same as TMNT I did overseas, adjusted for the same decline seen domestically between films (TMNT I did 135 million domestically with an added 67 million overseas, TMNT II did 78 domestically)... that gives us another 40 million overseas. Cut that in half because you're losing half of the money on international ticket sales, that's another 20 million in the pot. 80 million against 50 million to make it. Not terrible but not a slam dunk, either.

TMNT III, only 4 million dollars less to make than TMNT II but it made only half the money. They probably did end up in the red on III, clawing to a breaking even point when it came time for home video sales and such.

The sequels definitely did less well but were still profitable for the studio. The sequels were hardly flops both in the US and internationally. Then again I'm not sure how TMNT II could have made more money than the original since the original film was the ninth highest grossing film that year and for many years the highest grossing independent film of all time. That's quite a large bar to set.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I liked that episode better than all of tmnt 3

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I liked that episode better than all of tmnt 3

Of course you did, you got through it about five times faster.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Of course you did, you got through it about five times faster.

Thats not the only reason I like it more.

[CyberCubed]

Savanti's costume would have looked horrid in TMNT III, no way would a guy walking around in a demon mask looked good with 1993's production values.

They could have used Renet I guess, but her character was unknown outside of comics fans back in 1993.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Savanti's costume would have looked horrid in TMNT III, no way would a guy walking around in a demon mask looked good with 1993's production values.

They could have used Renet I guess, but her character was unknown outside of comics fans back in 1993.

it could have looked awesome provided they had the proper budget.




^ this as an example was from 1985

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They could have used Renet I guess, but her character was unknown outside of comics fans back in 1993.

So was Savanti Romero too.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I liked that episode better than all of tmnt 3

Rahzar and Tokka were also more well-written in the original series than Secret of the Ooze.