The TMNT Mirage Continuity Timeline (complete?)

*DrSpengler* · 04-14-2007, 04:37 PM

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Ratchet · 04-14-2007, 05:42 PM

Good job Doc! I'm going to have to see how I've got mine ordered in comparison now!

OA · 04-14-2007, 05:44 PM

Goodness gracious man...I am very impressed...your logic in placement seems very nice to me...theres a few things Id like to check on but overall great job...

*DrSpengler* · 04-14-2007, 06:10 PM

Please, double check. There's so much material that I'm bound to have mixed up somewhere along the line.

Also, I don't own the second printing of the Michealangelo (microseries) #1 which contained a short Christmas story or the Tales Vol. 1 TPB which contained an additional Nobody short story, so I wasn't able to place those in the continuity.

If anybody DOES own them, please, help me figure out where they belong.

Aztec General · 04-15-2007, 08:59 AM

That's pretty damn good. I'll re-read it just to make sure you didnt miss anything but, pretty damn good none the less.

*Edit*: Found one: What about the two part Casey Jones solo arc?

The Shelf · 04-15-2007, 10:51 AM

Great job, dude. Didn't someone post an age time line for the turtles as well somewhere on these boards? It would be really cool if the two of you could combine these to give us the ultimate all-encompassing turtles time-line. Or maybe you're the one who posted that and just decided to split them up?

Either way, excellent work.

*DrSpengler* · 04-15-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Aztec General

That's pretty damn good. I'll re-read it just to make sure you didnt miss anything but, pretty damn good none the less.

*Edit*: Found one: What about the two part Casey Jones solo arc?

Oh, it's in there. Check "Post Return to New York, Pre City at War". That story, "North By Down East", was actually taken from "Plastron Cafe" because that series got cancelled before they could finish publishing it.

Also, how old were the TMNT in the very first issue? I'm sure I read it somewhere but I can't remember.

I need to know so that I can more accurately place "Fifteen Years Later" (since the TMNT are 15 years old in that story).

~~AquaParade~~ · 04-15-2007, 12:47 PM

That's really impressive that you put all that together. Good job!

*CyberCubed* · 04-15-2007, 01:45 PM

Didn't Peter Laird say that the three-part "The River" from Volume 1 wasn't in continuity?

Sparvid · 04-15-2007, 02:56 PM

Great list!

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Also, I don't own the second printing of the Michealangelo (microseries) #1 which contained a short Christmas story or the Tales Vol. 1 TPB which contained an additional Nobody short story, so I wasn't able to place those in the continuity.

If anybody DOES own them, please, help me figure out where they belong.

The Nobody story:
The Turtles and Nobody are aware of each other (well, duh)
The Turtles basically run into Nobody while out on patrol.
I had to check #48 to see if anyone there referred to Tales #2 as something like "the last time we met", but nope. So, it can go anywhere during a time period where the Turtles are living in Northhampton, sometime after Tales #2.

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Also, how old were the TMNT in the very first issue? I'm sure I read it somewhere but I can't remember.

I need to know so that I can more accurately place "Fifteen Years Later" (since the TMNT are 15 years old in that story).

Splinter says: "...the mission for which I have trained you these past thirteen years"

In Vol. 1 #7, the Turtles are "fifteen and one half years old", according to Splinter

(Other ages: Return to New York is three years after #1, and according to a later letter column, Shades of Grey takes place "sometime shortly after issue 21 and Return to New York left off")

Addition: Challenges, which takes place sometime early in the Exile part of the chronology. But I'd put it after Tales #1, since that's shortly after they've moved in.

*Chris* · 04-15-2007, 03:41 PM

Very nice work! I might use some of the Tales Vol. 2 placements when I get to that in my own timeline.

Shelf there was a thread a while back with something like this, I posted a detailed WIP timeline including months/years that had the TMNT's ages in there, maybe that's the thread you were thinking of? It's very WIP, I'm covered all of Vol. 1 up to RTNY and all of Tales Vol. 1, so the dates may be revised a bit (Shadow's age in some of the Tales issues may require me to re-work a few things later on to try and make that fit with the TMNT being 12 in 1981 that was set in Tales Vol. 2 #1).

That project I'm doing in my spare time and it only covers the definately in continuity issues of Vol. 1, the 2 volumes of Tales, Vol.2 and Vol. 4, so DrSpengler has a lot of stuff on there that I won't have in mine since I don't own those issues (Turtle Soup, the Casey issues, the Usagi stuff, the small back ups from some of the early Vol. 1 issues and specials and I only have the collected books, etc)

The Turtles in Vol. 1 #1 are nearly 15. Splinter says it took them a year to reach their current size, then an undefined amount of time passed, then he trained them for 13 years.

The TMNT are 15 1/2 in the space story #4-7, then you have the Mike special. The Leo special/Vol. 1 #10 is a year later (16 1/2), then return to NY is another year after that (17 1/2). This fits with them being 15 in #1 as Leo says it's been about 3 years since #1 at that point (just over 2 1/2 years rounded up). So the "15 Years Later" story would probably actually come between #1 and #2!

Btw has it ever been confirmed exactly what is in continuity?

We know for sure all of Tales Vol. 1 and 2 as well as the 5 specials (Raph, Fugitoid, Mike, Don, Leo) all of Vol. 2 and 4.
From Vol. 1 we know for certain #1-15, 19-21, 27-29, 45-62
Other possibles are #17, 43 and probably some others like those on your list but I don't think they've ever been declared official cannon like the other issues have.
Has an official status ever been given to things like the Casey Jones: North by Downeast, Turtle Soup, Shell Shock, Challenges, the Usagi crossovers, etc? If they are then I'd better try and track them down asap!

Edit: And just to clear up one error I can see; Tales Vol.2 #2 takes place in what you would call "Vol. 3" as in a letters page Murphy said it took place in 1996 (Murphy said he couldn't remember why at that point) which places it after Vol. 2 when they have the new sewer lair.

turkishproverb · 09-14-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

CONTINUITY NOTES LAST UPDATED: 6/13/07*The Image migrane. As we all know, the Image series is the *real* TMNT Vol. 3 and is most certainly not a part of the Mirage continuity. However, when it first started...it was. As a result, you've got an issue of TMNT Vol. 2 where Raph references their first crossover with the Savage Dragon, and even has a little editor's note telling the reader to check out the Savage Dragon crossover. This is completely irreconcilable and just another continuity flub you have to "ignore".HERE.

Ah, I'm not saying it has to be that your wrong, but does it have ot be either or?

Isn't it possible the turtles Savage dragon appearances and crossovers are Cannon, but the rest of the image stuff (V. 3) isn't?

*DrSpengler* · 10-10-2007, 04:46 PM

Added the two stories from Tales #38.

I put them before Young Leo's segments from Loops, but they could just as easily take place before. I felt they should go before Vol. 1 #9, though, because the TMNT are much less mature in these stories than in #9.

*odupianist* · 10-19-2007, 08:11 AM

Why isn't this sticky-ed yet? Just curious

*DrSpengler* · 10-24-2007, 10:55 AM

Stickied! AT LAST! I thought this day would never come.

Updated with Tales #39. I *think* that's where it oughta go, but if anybody has a more precise location, speak up!

04-15-2007, 08:59 AM	#5
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	That's pretty damn good. I'll re-read it just to make sure you didnt miss anything but, pretty damn good none the less. Edit: Found one: What about the two part Casey Jones solo arc? __________________

04-15-2007, 03:41 PM	#11
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,890	Very nice work! I might use some of the Tales Vol. 2 placements when I get to that in my own timeline. Shelf there was a thread a while back with something like this, I posted a detailed WIP timeline including months/years that had the TMNT's ages in there, maybe that's the thread you were thinking of? It's very WIP, I'm covered all of Vol. 1 up to RTNY and all of Tales Vol. 1, so the dates may be revised a bit (Shadow's age in some of the Tales issues may require me to re-work a few things later on to try and make that fit with the TMNT being 12 in 1981 that was set in Tales Vol. 2 #1). That project I'm doing in my spare time and it only covers the definately in continuity issues of Vol. 1, the 2 volumes of Tales, Vol.2 and Vol. 4, so DrSpengler has a lot of stuff on there that I won't have in mine since I don't own those issues (Turtle Soup, the Casey issues, the Usagi stuff, the small back ups from some of the early Vol. 1 issues and specials and I only have the collected books, etc) The Turtles in Vol. 1 #1 are nearly 15. Splinter says it took them a year to reach their current size, then an undefined amount of time passed, then he trained them for 13 years. The TMNT are 15 1/2 in the space story #4-7, then you have the Mike special. The Leo special/Vol. 1 #10 is a year later (16 1/2), then return to NY is another year after that (17 1/2). This fits with them being 15 in #1 as Leo says it's been about 3 years since #1 at that point (just over 2 1/2 years rounded up). So the "15 Years Later" story would probably actually come between #1 and #2! Btw has it ever been confirmed exactly what is in continuity? We know for sure all of Tales Vol. 1 and 2 as well as the 5 specials (Raph, Fugitoid, Mike, Don, Leo) all of Vol. 2 and 4. From Vol. 1 we know for certain #1-15, 19-21, 27-29, 45-62 Other possibles are #17, 43 and probably some others like those on your list but I don't think they've ever been declared official cannon like the other issues have. Has an official status ever been given to things like the Casey Jones: North by Downeast, Turtle Soup, Shell Shock, Challenges, the Usagi crossovers, etc? If they are then I'd better try and track them down asap! Edit: And just to clear up one error I can see; Tales Vol.2 #2 takes place in what you would call "Vol. 3" as in a letters page Murphy said it took place in 1996 (Murphy said he couldn't remember why at that point) which places it after Vol. 2 when they have the new sewer lair. Last edited by Chris; 04-15-2007 at 03:57 PM.

04-14-2007, 04:37 PM	#1
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04-14-2007, 05:42 PM	#2
Ratchet Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 167	Good job Doc! I'm going to have to see how I've got mine ordered in comparison now!

04-14-2007, 05:44 PM	#3
OA Scatter the nuns!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,981	Goodness gracious man...I am very impressed...your logic in placement seems very nice to me...theres a few things Id like to check on but overall great job... __________________

04-14-2007, 06:10 PM	#4
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,830	Please, double check. There's so much material that I'm bound to have mixed up somewhere along the line. Also, I don't own the second printing of the Michealangelo (microseries) #1 which contained a short Christmas story or the Tales Vol. 1 TPB which contained an additional Nobody short story, so I wasn't able to place those in the continuity. If anybody DOES own them, please, help me figure out where they belong.

04-15-2007, 10:51 AM	#6
The Shelf Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,031	Great job, dude. Didn't someone post an age time line for the turtles as well somewhere on these boards? It would be really cool if the two of you could combine these to give us the ultimate all-encompassing turtles time-line. Or maybe you're the one who posted that and just decided to split them up? Either way, excellent work.

04-15-2007, 12:47 PM	#8
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	That's really impressive that you put all that together. Good job!

04-15-2007, 01:45 PM	#9
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,112	Didn't Peter Laird say that the three-part "The River" from Volume 1 wasn't in continuity?

10-10-2007, 04:46 PM	#13
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,830	Added the two stories from Tales #38. I put them before Young Leo's segments from Loops, but they could just as easily take place before. I felt they should go before Vol. 1 #9, though, because the TMNT are much less mature in these stories than in #9.

10-19-2007, 08:11 AM	#14
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	Why isn't this sticky-ed yet? Just curious

10-24-2007, 10:55 AM	#15
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,830	Stickied! AT LAST! I thought this day would never come. Updated with Tales #39. I think that's where it oughta go, but if anybody has a more precise location, speak up!