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Old 01-23-2018, 09:27 PM   #301
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I just realized what is inherently the problem with Discovery and nuTrek... there is no grand overarching purpose or hook, no new frontier.

The Next Generation took us almost a century after Kirk and crew; the Federation's greatest enemy (the Klingon Empire) is now its most powerful ally and proves that Star Trek isn't just Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, it's the UNIVERSE.

Deep Space Nine explored a stationary locale (DS9), politics, religion, and the Dominion War, as well as the Gamma Quadrant through the Bajoran wormhole. (And also proved Star Trek isn't just a ship named USS Enterprise.)

Voyager explored the Maquis working alongside Starfleet, the Delta Quadrant, and the Borg Collective.

Enterprise went a century into the past, before the Federation even existed and explored human-Vulcan relations and the founding of Earth's first intergalactic alliances (and enemies).

Discovery... is redoing the Klingons? Showing us a species we've already exhausted in a time period we've already exhausted? With a theme (war) we've already exhausted?

Star Trek Discovery didn't have a creative vision--it had a calculated business plan to cash in on existing ideas and polish them up for a new audience, lazily coasting on established goodwill the same way JJ Abram's crappy movies did.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:31 PM   #302
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I could go into even more detail than that, but yes. That about sums up the broad strokes. Yes.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:20 AM   #303
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it had a calculated business plan to cash in on existing ideas and polish them up for a new audience, lazily coasting on established goodwill
Sadly, this applies to more media franchises than just Star Trek.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:26 AM   #304
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it applies to EVERY older franchise, sadly
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Holy hooting hell, the season finale of STD was horrific beyond all belief. They succeeded in somehow making the Klingon homeworld look entirely bland and boring, interjected with pompous speeches contradicted by... like, everything seen in the rest of the series. And the Klingon Empire is forced to unite under that Klingon lady because she could press "START" on her iPad? No one in that whole hall of Klingons could snipe her? Beam her and/or the iPad into space?

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Maddeningly stupid.

And oh look, it's the FAKE Enterprise to cap off the show desperately reaching for any connection it can make to Kirk'n Spock.
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:24 PM   #306
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Good article. All I'd add is that how come Star Wars gets to emerge decades later with its whole visual aesthetic intact but Star Trek needs the update?

https://futuredude.com/the-current-state-of-star-trek/
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:33 PM   #307
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Good article. All I'd add is that how come Star Wars gets to emerge decades later with its whole visual aesthetic intact but Star Trek needs the update?

https://futuredude.com/the-current-state-of-star-trek/
That guy nailed it. NAILED IT.
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https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-di...-to-1825276401

Seems like... one more reason why they shouldn't have made (ironically named, really) "Discovery" another prequel set alongside Kirk'n Spock. There's a million reasons to set the show in the future, past the other shows... so they choose the one era they legally can't use any designs from? Why? Bizarre.
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Seems like... one more reason why they shouldn't have made (ironically named, really) "Discovery" another prequel set alongside Kirk'n Spock. There's a million reasons to set the show in the future, past the other shows... so they choose the one era they legally can't use any designs from? Why? Bizarre.
That's so weird. I wouldn't have thought the designs were "hands off." 25% different, LOL.

But hey, we get Christopher Pike and Spock on the Enterprise next season! Yay!
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