How much slack would you cut Bayturtles if...

*Wildcat* · 03-15-2017, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

That always bugged me. I wish they'd made it clear that as a child she just thought of them like pets rather than actually being.

I mean if they really were, how terrible does someone have to be to experiment on their child's pets??

I can hear it now: "I'm sorry little April, I told you that if you didn't take good care of them I'd be taking them away. Now they are going to the lab to be abused for experimentation." (You could almost rewrite this as April caused the fire to get back at her father over it... lol)

Were they actually her pets? I don't remember now.

My issue with this was she cared enough to rescue them but abandoned them in the sewer. Could have taken them to a lake or pond or something. Even the zoo maybe.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-15-2017, 02:03 AM

Nope, the story is still trash.

I'd at best probably rewatch a few scenes on youtube now and then if the Turtles at least looked like the Turtles.

*neatoman* · 03-15-2017, 06:07 AM

I guess I would be fine with the designs but generally say the movies sucked? Terrible design work is the least of the problems.

*ProactiveMan* · 03-15-2017, 08:33 AM

I kind'a like the movies on a certain level, but yes, they both have really bad stories. I don't think the writing is completely terrible either. There are some nice dialogue scenes in both, but the structure and overall plot sucks. I would have been a lot happier if they had have nailed the scripts down before shooting, and in the case of OOTS, spent more than an afternoon devising the plot.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-15-2017, 11:20 AM

Nope.

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*Powder* · 03-15-2017, 12:21 PM

Despite the look being more or less my biggest concern leading up to the first film's release, it turned out to somehow be one of the least offensive things about these dung-heaps.

As I've said before, we're lucky they were big & ugly, because it would've been absolutely heartbreaking to have great looking turtles in horrible movies. With these, what you see is what you get- all flare, no care. You can't have any good expectations based on the aesthetics. With "proper" turtles you might go into it expecting something good, only to get kicked in the willy.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-15-2017, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

As I've said before, we're lucky they were big & ugly, because it would've been absolutely heartbreaking to have great looking turtles in horrible movies.

True. And when they failed, TPTB would assume that (faithful) great looking Turtles were part of the reason of the failure.

As is, we have a great big tub of pure Turtle sh*t -- basically the sum of everything they could possibly do wrong, even hypothetically -- they proudly served us, and all it went nuclear in their fat little hands.

*Powder* · 03-15-2017, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

As is, we have a great big tub of pure Turtle sh*t -- basically the sum of everything they could possibly do wrong, even hypothetically -- they proudly served us, and all it went nuclear in their fat little hands.

Let's hope it serves to be an example of what not to do. Every property needs one of those, I guess.

Some would argue ours was Next Mutation, but it's not that bad by any means, at least in terms of what they did "right" when compared to PD.

*ToTheNines* · 03-15-2017, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

As I've said before, we're lucky they were big & ugly, because it would've been absolutely heartbreaking to have great looking turtles in horrible movies. With these, what you see is what you get- all flare, no care. You can't have any good expectations based on the aesthetics. With "proper" turtles you might go into it expecting something good, only to get kicked in the willy.

Ya know, this sentiment really resonated with me last time you brought it up. But apparently not enough for me to remember it lol.

*CyberCubed* · 03-15-2017, 01:55 PM

At least it's a lesson never to give the Turtles noses/nostrils in any future incarnation ever again.

*ProphetofGanja* · 03-15-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

At least it's a lesson never to give the Turtles noses/nostrils in any future incarnation ever again.

I dunno, I think that they could be done tastefully. Haven't they had nostrils when some artists draw them in the comics? I mean real turtles have nostrils, so it's not like its illogical or unrealistic (despite the irony of worrying about realism in this property). I just think the Platinum Dunes character designers did an awful job, with a lot more than just the nostrils. All the Turtles have those weird egg-shaped heads, looking like creepy-ass Shreks. And then for some reason they tower over regular-sized humans. Just so many bad design choices, likely all simply for the sake of being "new" and "different" and "fresh"

*Utrommaniac* · 03-16-2017, 02:30 PM

Drink when Cubed mentions the nostrils!

I'm pretty sure the turtles are 15 years old or so. I don't think the designers got the memo on what 15 year old boys look like.

It seems like another movie wherein Bay tries to cover over his insecure masculinity with explosions and action that runs so long that it overrides the characters themselves. Just seemed like most of the characters were either meatheads or doofuses.

OOTS could have had a little more on its Krang - who I think had a really good design for a Bay film, but he was a Plot Fairy that only showed up twice.

Drink when Utrommaniac talks about BayKrang as little more than a plot pusher!

*CyberCubed* · 03-16-2017, 02:34 PM

The weird thing is I never realized how hideous the Turtles look like with noses till this movie came out. And I'm sure it's not just the 30 years of seeing the Turtles with nothing on their faces below the bandana, it just looks hideous.

*IndigoErth* · 03-16-2017, 03:20 PM

Agree, Krang did virtually nothing, he never posed an actual threat. The most he accomplished was removing Shredder from the film. (Okay, he had a hand, er, tentacle in the creation of Bebop and Rocksteady as mutants, but only very indirectly.) Ultimately the main plot of this film boils down largely to a brief scavenger hunt. When it should have been about getting rid of a Technodrom that's busy trying to destroy the world.

After all the work put into him they kind of wasted Krang. Which makes it a shame they didn't make a film good enough to buy it a third wherein that they might have actually put him to use.

As for their age(s), honestly I just ignore it with a version like this. These films may claim that they are teens, but they sure as hell look more like grown men.

When we saw them as young kids in the first film, they looked about what... 10-ish? Maybe a little less? (Even though that one toy set claimed the junior Turtle figure to be "teen.") How the hell do you go from THAT to the grown looking Turtles in such a short time? Supercharged puberty? Unlike everyone else they lucked out and just woke up like that one morning? lol

In the first film, Splinter preferred to keep them locked up and overprotected, so I've just shrugged it off like he lied to them about their real age for a long time...

Or something like that. (Like he conveniently just stopped keeping good count of the years, and they're so shelterd and taught to respect and trust his judgement - lest they invite his violent lashing out at them - that they just didn't question it.) After all, some parents don't want their children to grow up and try to continue treating them as kids.

*IndigoErth* · 03-15-2017, 03:11 PM

Good luck on nostrils never turning up again... Kind of inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

Were they actually her pets? I don't remember now.

My issue with this was she cared enough to rescue them but abandoned them in the sewer. Could have taken them to a lake or pond or something. Even the zoo maybe.

Yeah, she herself does say so directly to her room mate that they were her "childhood pets." (Which sounds odd coming from an adult woman speaking about lab animals...)

Agree with you, it's so weird that she ditched them like that. Show me a kid that would not have taken them home and either begged to keep them or hidden them!

RaphaelsIsolation · 03-16-2017, 05:42 AM

They could of made a TMNT movie without a huge ****ing budget?

I mean couldn't they just make a movie on 50 million? I think the could have.

Shellington · 03-16-2017, 02:05 PM

As everyone has said, design wasn't really as big a problem as getting a good story.

1 and 3 - I thought they WERE photorealistic. That was part of the problem. After all, real turtles...

I would be interested in seeing something reptilian and scaly, like this...

This look did earn an Oscar after all.

2 - This point stands. It's worth noting that the 2016 had the Turtles wear less stuff on their bodies, and looked the better for it (as did Bebop and Rocksteady and Krang, who turned out better than their concept art).

3 - The Turtles being huge and muscular was in the 87 and 2003 cartoons, it was from the 2012 cartoon and the IDW comics that the "youthful medium-size" look got prominence.

*ToTheNines* · 03-16-2017, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shellington

3 - The Turtles being huge and muscular was in the 87 and 2003 cartoons, it was from the 2012 cartoon and the IDW comics that the "youthful medium-size" look got prominence.

Utter bullsh*t.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-19-2017, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shellington

3 - The Turtles being huge and muscular was in the 87 and 2003 cartoons, it was from the 2012 cartoon and the IDW comics that the "youthful medium-size" look got prominence.

Hmmm, maybe you should do some research before making wild claims.

FW:

Spoiler:

The FW Turtles are short.

2K3:

Spoiler:

And shock, oh shock, the 2k3 Turtles are also short.

*Chris* · 03-19-2017, 08:02 AM

Never forgive a bad movie for good designs. I loved some of the costume designs in Batman V Superman (minus cave troll Doomsday) but that doesn't excuse the movie for being terrible.

The best Turtle designs in the franchises history couldn't have saved these films. It starts with characters & story not with "we have this idea for a great action sequence".

03-15-2017, 02:03 AM	#2
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Nope, the story is still trash. I'd at best probably rewatch a few scenes on youtube now and then if the Turtles at least looked like the Turtles. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

03-15-2017, 08:33 AM	#4
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	I kind'a like the movies on a certain level, but yes, they both have really bad stories. I don't think the writing is completely terrible either. There are some nice dialogue scenes in both, but the structure and overall plot sucks. I would have been a lot happier if they had have nailed the scripts down before shooting, and in the case of OOTS, spent more than an afternoon devising the plot. __________________ ProactiveMan!

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Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,350	Nope. *DR* Don't bypass the swear filter. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by DarthRaphael; 03-16-2017 at 11:33 AM.

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Powder So tired of this place Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell Ri La Posts: 26,815	Despite the look being more or less my biggest concern leading up to the first film's release, it turned out to somehow be one of the least offensive things about these dung-heaps. As I've said before, we're lucky they were big & ugly, because it would've been absolutely heartbreaking to have great looking turtles in horrible movies. With these, what you see is what you get- all flare, no care. You can't have any good expectations based on the aesthetics. With "proper" turtles you might go into it expecting something good, only to get kicked in the willy. __________________ I'm convinced that none of you have ever experienced joy

03-16-2017, 02:30 PM	#12
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Drink when Cubed mentions the nostrils! I'm pretty sure the turtles are 15 years old or so. I don't think the designers got the memo on what 15 year old boys look like. It seems like another movie wherein Bay tries to cover over his insecure masculinity with explosions and action that runs so long that it overrides the characters themselves. Just seemed like most of the characters were either meatheads or doofuses. OOTS could have had a little more on its Krang - who I think had a really good design for a Bay film, but he was a Plot Fairy that only showed up twice. Drink when Utrommaniac talks about BayKrang as little more than a plot pusher! __________________ DeviantART

03-15-2017, 01:55 PM	#10
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,117	At least it's a lesson never to give the Turtles noses/nostrils in any future incarnation ever again.

03-16-2017, 02:34 PM	#13
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,117	The weird thing is I never realized how hideous the Turtles look like with noses till this movie came out. And I'm sure it's not just the 30 years of seeing the Turtles with nothing on their faces below the bandana, it just looks hideous.

03-16-2017, 03:20 PM	#14
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,285	Agree, Krang did virtually nothing, he never posed an actual threat. The most he accomplished was removing Shredder from the film. (Okay, he had a hand, er, tentacle in the creation of Bebop and Rocksteady as mutants, but only very indirectly.) Ultimately the main plot of this film boils down largely to a brief scavenger hunt. When it should have been about getting rid of a Technodrom that's busy trying to destroy the world. After all the work put into him they kind of wasted Krang. Which makes it a shame they didn't make a film good enough to buy it a third wherein that they might have actually put him to use. As for their age(s), honestly I just ignore it with a version like this. These films may claim that they are teens, but they sure as hell look more like grown men. When we saw them as young kids in the first film, they looked about what... 10-ish? Maybe a little less? (Even though that one toy set claimed the junior Turtle figure to be "teen.") How the hell do you go from THAT to the grown looking Turtles in such a short time? Supercharged puberty? Unlike everyone else they lucked out and just woke up like that one morning? lol In the first film, Splinter preferred to keep them locked up and overprotected, so I've just shrugged it off like he lied to them about their real age for a long time... Or something like that. (Like he conveniently just stopped keeping good count of the years, and they're so shelterd and taught to respect and trust his judgement - lest they invite his violent lashing out at them - that they just didn't question it.) After all, some parents don't want their children to grow up and try to continue treating them as kids. Last edited by IndigoErth; 03-16-2017 at 03:30 PM.

03-16-2017, 05:42 AM	#16
RaphaelsIsolation Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 392	They could of made a TMNT movie without a huge ****ing budget? I mean couldn't they just make a movie on 50 million? I think the could have.

03-16-2017, 02:05 PM	#17
Shellington Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Lusaka, Zambia Posts: 106	As everyone has said, design wasn't really as big a problem as getting a good story. 1 and 3 - I thought they WERE photorealistic. That was part of the problem. After all, real turtles... I would be interested in seeing something reptilian and scaly, like this... This look did earn an Oscar after all. 2 - This point stands. It's worth noting that the 2016 had the Turtles wear less stuff on their bodies, and looked the better for it (as did Bebop and Rocksteady and Krang, who turned out better than their concept art). 3 - The Turtles being huge and muscular was in the 87 and 2003 cartoons, it was from the 2012 cartoon and the IDW comics that the "youthful medium-size" look got prominence. __________________ "We're ninjas." Leo, the Samurai "We're mutants!" Raph, the Outsider "Technically, we're turtles." Donnie, the Nerd "And we're teenagers." Mikey, the Teenager

03-19-2017, 08:02 AM	#20
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,890	Never forgive a bad movie for good designs. I loved some of the costume designs in Batman V Superman (minus cave troll Doomsday) but that doesn't excuse the movie for being terrible. The best Turtle designs in the franchises history couldn't have saved these films. It starts with characters & story not with "we have this idea for a great action sequence".