If Ninja Turtles Fast Forward could be redone

*victory_angel* · 07-23-2013, 01:59 AM

I recently watched Ninja Turtles Fast Forward, and I found it interesting but at the same time lacking. And also somewhat hypocritical of itself.

For example they have moments where they tell Donatello that he's going to be one of the founders of O'Neil Tech, among other things that help benefit the world and man kind. And yet when we finally have one episode that could explain some of the things the turtles did to create that future. Splinter comes in and says that they shouldn't learn such things because it will effect the time stream.

First off they are already in the future...so doesn't that already effect the times stream.

And second of all, telling Donnie that he is going to be a instrumental figure in that future is okay. But letting the Turtles know how they created that future is not?

Okay okay, Donatello surpassing his brothers...that I can understand. But overshadowing them is a different can of worms.

And three, while I don't see the turtles actually getting married and having children the **traditional** way. I don't think they would pass on to the next world without leaving an heirs to carry on their legacy.

So I think to myself...what if this season could be rewritten? What if fans of the 2k3 series has to opportunity to revise the series the way they want.

Some of the changes i would have made are these:

Roles the other turtles and co would have in creating the future of 2105

Have the other turtles having their own influences in that future. We sort of see some influence with Mikey in the Clash of the Turtle Titans and how he was an inspiration to Silver Sentry's grandson.

Leo I can see being the one who organized and formed the peace keepers.

Mikey I can see becoming an actor or someone very influential in public media.

Raph unknown at this time...Possibly a guardian figure.

Splinter will also be an influential figure.

Things I would remove from the story

Triple-threat should be a one shot villain at best. There are annoying villains, there are dumb villains. But when it comes to villains who are both annoying and dumb Triple-threat takes the prize. The first time he shows up it's like "Okay?" Second time it's like "Seriously, this guy again?" and third time its "Oh you've gotta be kidding me!"

Eliminate Constable Biggles- Seriously this character is a walking stereotype.

Events that should occur

Since Cody was alone when the turtles meet him. Maybe Serling at one point mentions that Cody originally had several individuals as protectors (the heirs of the turtles) but Darius Dunn got rid of them because he felt they were a bad influence to Cody's well being.

Darius Dunn looks more into the history or O'Neil tech and realizes that if he eliminates Donatello from the time stream then O'Neil tech would never have existed.

The Big Bad · 07-23-2013, 05:16 AM

Aside from overall improved execution and more diversity in characters--especially women, and I really think Cody should have been a girl--I think the thing I would have most appreciated would have been better world-building. Not necessarily dealing with stuff from previous seasons--I was fine with the series drawing a line and focusing almost entirely on all-new material--I wish that 2105 had actually been interesting, instead of just a new set.

I had no problem with the show making a distinction between knowing the broad strokes of the future and knowing the specific details. It's one thing to know that you'll somehow start a company at some unspecified moment in one's personal timeline. It's another thing entirely to know, for example, the specific details on how all your friends died, and knowing that you can do nothing about it. "The Journal" may not have made the best case for its stance, but it remains a perfectly sensible one.

~~ABrown~~ · 07-23-2013, 08:32 AM

The only thing I would've done differently is have Darius Dunn get arrested in the final FF episode. I really would've liked to know what happened to him.

*victory_angel* · 07-23-2013, 10:56 AM

There was apparently going to be a second season of fast forward. But that was nixed due to low ratings.

*CyberCubed* · 07-23-2013, 01:26 PM

Keep the same animation as the first seasons, drop "It's Ninja Time," and get rid of Triple Threats episodes and replace them with Space Usagi.

dkram230 · 07-23-2013, 02:01 PM

Ideally if they had the opportunity to do it over again they just wouldn't do it! The series was getting stale and the ratings, which were never very high to begin with, were falling. They needed something to shake things up and wanted to bring in more of that younger audience who had shied away due to the heavy/dark tone of the show. So they brightened up the color while "dumbing" it down with shallow villains, bad comedy, and poor scripting. The show lost its spirit this season causing older fans such as myself to walk away. Yet it was too little too late to pull in those younger fans from a society who just didn't care anymore. Usually when a cartoon does a long term time travel gimmick like this that means its on the way out. So I stopped watching, embarrassed for what this once great series had become. As a result, I missed out on the Back to the Sewers season which, from what I understand, was one of the series' best. I watched Turtles Forever when it aired which is probably when I discovered it. But by then it was too late for me. CURSE YOU Fast Forward!!!!

*Galactus* · 07-23-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by victory_angel

There was apparently going to be a second season of fast forward.

This is true.

Quote:

But that was nixed due to low ratings.

This one (as far as I know) is not.

redsai4lex · 07-23-2013, 03:52 PM

They should have not written FF at all in the way that they did. Even though it actually grew on me over time, the show itself had so much promising potential with numerous unused and undeveloped characters. Instead of writing FF, Season 6 should have focused more on "bringing back" previously undertaken threats.

- The Rat King (I, Monster)
Rat King promises the "audience" that he will haunt the Turtles' for many days to come, because "everyone fears the monster"!
-Just one example of many potentially unused 'story-arcs'...

Season 6 could have easily revisited threats from The Rat King, while episode fillers could have included some closure for the stories that never got any resolution whatsoever.

-Dragon's Brew (J.Finn, T9581)
-The Darkness Within (Necro Monster)

These are only a couple examples of what I'm talking about. If you think about it, go through the episode guide, and you will find even more...

*ObiWanFan4life* · 07-23-2013, 03:55 PM

If they HAD to re-do it, have it be more like Batman Beyond or Tron: Uprising. Otherwise, just leave it be and let it die out.

redsai4lex · 07-23-2013, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by victory_angel

There was apparently going to be a second season of fast forward. But that was nixed due to low ratings.

FF was originally only 13 episodes, but was extended with repeats until they added the "second" season. 13 more episodes were made to work with while including a couple episodic fillers in the season's chronology. Thus, FF ended up being 26 episodes lasting through 2 years of air time (2006- 2008 ). Because 26 episodes matches most of the other seasons in length, FF was considered to be 1 season altogether while 'BttS' (Season 7) fully intended on ending the show with only 13.

*CyberCubed* · 07-23-2013, 05:15 PM

FF had many great episodes, if you were to cut out the weaker ones and make the animation the same as the earlier seasons it would have been fine.

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 07-28-2013, 07:15 AM

have it a maximum of 5 episodes, maybe like turtles in space

*miru* · 07-28-2013, 06:14 PM

Have April go to the future with the turtles.

Do another comic crossover, like Panda Khan.

*DVD* · 07-28-2013, 06:27 PM

I don't think it would be redone.
I get the point of the post tho. So, if I were to have changed anything, it would be to have had Cody as a girl ( mirroring the April character ) thus keeping the dynamic within the characters the same.

That said, as this was my introduction to the 2K3 stuff, I liked it as it was. The opening was exciting and energetic, and I loved the vehicles .. I would have liked to see more vehicles, or more use of the steel wheel ( I got one a few months ago, and this is great ) !!

*Coola Yagami* · 07-28-2013, 07:46 PM

Make it a 3-parter and leave it at that. It was uneccessary and a waste of time. Putting Serling in Back to the Sewers was a desperate attempt to show that Fast Forward still mattered.

shell4brains · 07-28-2013, 07:50 PM

I might be one of the few, but I didn't mind FF. I liked the idea of bringing the turtles out of their normal setting, and putting them into something new and crazy. I don't remember much about the season story wise, other then the turtles go to the future and meet Casey and April's future descendant, so I guess that part wasn't very memorable. Some of the villians were pretty cool (Dark turtles? Sweet!), and the future looked pretty neat, though I wish we could've seen more of it. I do hope someone along the way decides it's worth revisiting, either in the IDW comics (a mini/spin off series?) or the Nick toon, cause personally, I think it's a concept worth delving into. You gotta admit, seeing how current events with the turtles might effect the future does sound pretty interesting.

Vivi · 07-29-2013, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Keep the same animation as the first seasons, drop "It's Ninja Time," and get rid of Triple Threats episodes and replace them with Space Usagi.

Holy seashells, I would have loved to have seen Space Usagi.

*Donatello19* · 07-29-2013, 10:57 PM

Why redo it? IMO, it was a very lame and stupid idea anyway...that was most likely only made to sell more toys.

**Jester** · 07-29-2013, 11:15 PM

Not so much a redo, but they really should have gone ahead with season 2.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 07-29-2013, 11:26 PM

I'm with Jester, I think season two should have been done. It took it a little while to find its feet but it was not nearly as bad as people try to make it sound.

07-23-2013, 01:59 AM	#1
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,103	If Ninja Turtles Fast Forward could be redone I recently watched Ninja Turtles Fast Forward, and I found it interesting but at the same time lacking. And also somewhat hypocritical of itself. For example they have moments where they tell Donatello that he's going to be one of the founders of O'Neil Tech, among other things that help benefit the world and man kind. And yet when we finally have one episode that could explain some of the things the turtles did to create that future. Splinter comes in and says that they shouldn't learn such things because it will effect the time stream. First off they are already in the future...so doesn't that already effect the times stream. And second of all, telling Donnie that he is going to be a instrumental figure in that future is okay. But letting the Turtles know how they created that future is not? Okay okay, Donatello surpassing his brothers...that I can understand. But overshadowing them is a different can of worms. And three, while I don't see the turtles actually getting married and having children the traditional way. I don't think they would pass on to the next world without leaving an heirs to carry on their legacy. So I think to myself...what if this season could be rewritten? What if fans of the 2k3 series has to opportunity to revise the series the way they want. Some of the changes i would have made are these: Roles the other turtles and co would have in creating the future of 2105 Have the other turtles having their own influences in that future. We sort of see some influence with Mikey in the Clash of the Turtle Titans and how he was an inspiration to Silver Sentry's grandson. Leo I can see being the one who organized and formed the peace keepers. Mikey I can see becoming an actor or someone very influential in public media. Raph unknown at this time...Possibly a guardian figure. Splinter will also be an influential figure. Things I would remove from the story Triple-threat should be a one shot villain at best. There are annoying villains, there are dumb villains. But when it comes to villains who are both annoying and dumb Triple-threat takes the prize. The first time he shows up it's like "Okay?" Second time it's like "Seriously, this guy again?" and third time its "Oh you've gotta be kidding me!" Eliminate Constable Biggles- Seriously this character is a walking stereotype. Events that should occur Since Cody was alone when the turtles meet him. Maybe Serling at one point mentions that Cody originally had several individuals as protectors (the heirs of the turtles) but Darius Dunn got rid of them because he felt they were a bad influence to Cody's well being. Darius Dunn looks more into the history or O'Neil tech and realizes that if he eliminates Donatello from the time stream then O'Neil tech would never have existed.

07-23-2013, 05:16 AM	#2
The Big Bad Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 652	Aside from overall improved execution and more diversity in characters--especially women, and I really think Cody should have been a girl--I think the thing I would have most appreciated would have been better world-building. Not necessarily dealing with stuff from previous seasons--I was fine with the series drawing a line and focusing almost entirely on all-new material--I wish that 2105 had actually been interesting, instead of just a new set. I had no problem with the show making a distinction between knowing the broad strokes of the future and knowing the specific details. It's one thing to know that you'll somehow start a company at some unspecified moment in one's personal timeline. It's another thing entirely to know, for example, the specific details on how all your friends died, and knowing that you can do nothing about it. "The Journal" may not have made the best case for its stance, but it remains a perfectly sensible one. __________________ Monsters of New York, my TMNT/Gargoyles Blog Avatar artwork by Madseason. Previous avatar artwork by Lorna-ka.

07-23-2013, 03:52 PM	#8
redsai4lex Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: by the TMNT's side Posts: 546	They should have not written FF at all in the way that they did. Even though it actually grew on me over time, the show itself had so much promising potential with numerous unused and undeveloped characters. Instead of writing FF, Season 6 should have focused more on "bringing back" previously undertaken threats. - The Rat King (I, Monster) Rat King promises the "audience" that he will haunt the Turtles' for many days to come, because "everyone fears the monster"! -Just one example of many potentially unused 'story-arcs'... Season 6 could have easily revisited threats from The Rat King, while episode fillers could have included some closure for the stories that never got any resolution whatsoever. -Dragon's Brew (J.Finn, T9581) -The Darkness Within (Necro Monster) These are only a couple examples of what I'm talking about. If you think about it, go through the episode guide, and you will find even more... __________________

07-23-2013, 03:55 PM	#9
ObiWanFan4life Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,724	If they HAD to re-do it, have it be more like Batman Beyond or Tron: Uprising. Otherwise, just leave it be and let it die out. __________________ "The force will be with you, always" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

07-28-2013, 07:15 AM	#12
Whatswiththeheadbands? The Weed of Crime Join Date: May 2013 Location: The Shadow's Sanctum Posts: 3,006	have it a maximum of 5 episodes, maybe like turtles in space __________________ Who knows what Evil lurks in the hearts of Men? The Shadow knows...

07-23-2013, 08:32 AM	#3
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	The only thing I would've done differently is have Darius Dunn get arrested in the final FF episode. I really would've liked to know what happened to him.

07-23-2013, 10:56 AM	#4
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,103	There was apparently going to be a second season of fast forward. But that was nixed due to low ratings.

07-23-2013, 01:26 PM	#5
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,041	Keep the same animation as the first seasons, drop "It's Ninja Time," and get rid of Triple Threats episodes and replace them with Space Usagi.

07-23-2013, 02:01 PM	#6
dkram230 Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Midwest Posts: 613	Ideally if they had the opportunity to do it over again they just wouldn't do it! The series was getting stale and the ratings, which were never very high to begin with, were falling. They needed something to shake things up and wanted to bring in more of that younger audience who had shied away due to the heavy/dark tone of the show. So they brightened up the color while "dumbing" it down with shallow villains, bad comedy, and poor scripting. The show lost its spirit this season causing older fans such as myself to walk away. Yet it was too little too late to pull in those younger fans from a society who just didn't care anymore. Usually when a cartoon does a long term time travel gimmick like this that means its on the way out. So I stopped watching, embarrassed for what this once great series had become. As a result, I missed out on the Back to the Sewers season which, from what I understand, was one of the series' best. I watched Turtles Forever when it aired which is probably when I discovered it. But by then it was too late for me. CURSE YOU Fast Forward!!!!

07-23-2013, 05:15 PM	#11
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,041	FF had many great episodes, if you were to cut out the weaker ones and make the animation the same as the earlier seasons it would have been fine.

07-28-2013, 06:14 PM	#13
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	Have April go to the future with the turtles. Do another comic crossover, like Panda Khan. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

07-28-2013, 06:27 PM	#14
DVD Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 2,066	I don't think it would be redone. I get the point of the post tho. So, if I were to have changed anything, it would be to have had Cody as a girl ( mirroring the April character ) thus keeping the dynamic within the characters the same. That said, as this was my introduction to the 2K3 stuff, I liked it as it was. The opening was exciting and energetic, and I loved the vehicles .. I would have liked to see more vehicles, or more use of the steel wheel ( I got one a few months ago, and this is great ) !!

07-28-2013, 07:46 PM	#15
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,007	Make it a 3-parter and leave it at that. It was uneccessary and a waste of time. Putting Serling in Back to the Sewers was a desperate attempt to show that Fast Forward still mattered. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

07-28-2013, 07:50 PM	#16
shell4brains Thug Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 60	I might be one of the few, but I didn't mind FF. I liked the idea of bringing the turtles out of their normal setting, and putting them into something new and crazy. I don't remember much about the season story wise, other then the turtles go to the future and meet Casey and April's future descendant, so I guess that part wasn't very memorable. Some of the villians were pretty cool (Dark turtles? Sweet!), and the future looked pretty neat, though I wish we could've seen more of it. I do hope someone along the way decides it's worth revisiting, either in the IDW comics (a mini/spin off series?) or the Nick toon, cause personally, I think it's a concept worth delving into. You gotta admit, seeing how current events with the turtles might effect the future does sound pretty interesting. __________________ "Wise man say "forgiveness is devine, but never pay full price for late pizza"" - Mike

07-29-2013, 10:57 PM	#18
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	Why redo it? IMO, it was a very lame and stupid idea anyway...that was most likely only made to sell more toys.

07-29-2013, 11:15 PM	#19
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,216	Not so much a redo, but they really should have gone ahead with season 2. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

07-29-2013, 11:26 PM	#20
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	I'm with Jester, I think season two should have been done. It took it a little while to find its feet but it was not nearly as bad as people try to make it sound.