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Old 10-04-2017, 12:03 PM   #981
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He tried to kill Riddler but Joker stopped him.

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Batman tried to kill Riddler not Joker? I like the fact at least back in the day Riddler only wanted to kill Batman. He picked Riddler because he was sane and had a system,but now. He did not follow through though as you say. What about the monster men? He killed them.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:39 PM   #982
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King is playing with Zero Year continuity with this story.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:19 PM   #983
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If I understand correctly, Batman was mad at Riddler for murdering Kite Man's son to create a riddle? So he reacts by wanting knife The Riddler to death? It does not add up for Riddler to be such a killer and it does not add up for Batman to react rhat way. Would a normal person be driven to murder a murderer over a loved one? Sure, but it does not add up and as Selina says, "who cares". Joker blocking the knife makes Batman who he is? That is ridiculous! A lot ofead up for that? Bruce and Selina married heck yes! War of Jokes and Riddles? What is the point?
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:23 PM   #984
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Kings run has sounded iffy, so I've put off reading it, and that's kind of extended to this whole engagement thing. Sour taste by association. Not that I was wild about the idea to begin with, but of all the runs for it to be done in, it had to be the one where Batmans entire mission is reframed as planned slow burn suicide.
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Old 10-04-2017, 05:27 PM   #985
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it had to be the one where Batmans entire mission is reframed as planned slow burn suicide.
Slow Burn Suicide? Elaborate if you would.
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Old 10-04-2017, 05:47 PM   #986
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Slow Burn Suicide? Elaborate if toubwould.
There's a reason the second arc is called "I Am Suicide". Batman was a long term way for Bruce Wayne to kill himself, as per Kings run. Not only does it remove anything heroic about the character, it makes aspects of the mythos f***ing horrifying, such as a man who acts as a vigilante as a form of long term, assisted suicide taking on partners, wards and apprentices. Suddenly, the idea of Robin is deeply, deeply ugly in a way it wasn't even before, when the storytelling grew up and the idea of kids acting as mini superheroes and sidekicks had to be either explained or done away with. It's some DKR s***, only without the many, many years of loss and heartbreak wearing him down to the point where he muses on "a good death".

It feels like the ultimate culmination of the 80's sensibilities and focusing on Batman as a psychologically broken figure, only this time taking him past the point where he really should just be in a mental ward.
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