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Old 11-03-2017, 01:00 PM   #1601
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My thoughts are that if anything ... this series might not even catch on and then we'll just have a random one off within the whole TMNT lore. The marketing is going to be super heavy those first few months, but who knows ... it might drop off if the eyeballs aren't there.

Look at all the different Batman cartoons there have been. Some have been fun, some have been real ****. I mean ... look at this Joker.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/..._Batman_01.jpg

Hopefully if it's not worth anyone's time, it'll fade away quietly.
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I actually enjoyed "The Batman" series
If you want to talk about a crappy Batman series just looked at the last one that got canned in the middle of the first season
Was Batman: The Brave and the Bold any good?

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I'm pretty sure he didn't exist. As May isn't sad at all & Peter's "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" has been replaced with "I want to be an Avenger". Plus Tony was essentially giving him Ben's speech during the Ferry incident "What if somebody died, that's on you if they do'

Ben is the ENTIRE reason why he became Spider-Man & he couldn't even get so much as a mention in Homecoming.
He did. Peter says this in Homecoming: "I can’t do this [to May] after everything that happened." This is Peter telling his friend Ned that May can't know that he's Spider-Man because of how recently she lost Ben. Uncle Ben definitely exists.

Now I'm imagining what a TMNT origin story would look like without Splinter. Not too sure it could work.

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How about making him latino?
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I actually would have rathered black Casey over black April, but oh well.
A black Casey or a black April... either one would be perfectly fine with me.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:04 PM   #1602
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Was Batman: The Brave and the Bold any good?
Brave and the Bold was AMAZING.
But you have to go into realizing it's a cartoon of an Adam West'esque Bats.
So it's ridiculous by design.

Plus it's got my favorite version of Aquaman.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:05 PM   #1603
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Brave and the Bold was AMAZING.
But you have to go into realizing it's a cartoon of an Adam West'esque Bats.
So it's ridiculous by design.

Plus it's got my favorite version of Aquaman.
I was never a fan of Adam West's Batman (don't hate me), but I'm up for a more silly Batman cartoon I guess.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:11 PM   #1604
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Brave and the Bold was AMAZING.
But you have to go into realizing it's a cartoon of an Adam West'esque Bats.
So it's ridiculous by design.

Plus it's got my favorite version of Aquaman.
I love the episode with Space Ghost

I wish Space Ghost could get an updated show
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:14 PM   #1605
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I love the episode with Space Ghost

I wish Space Ghost could get an updated show
I wish Space Ghost Coast to Coast would come back...

"Mite-Fall," the series finale of Brave and the Bold is hands down one of the best animated things I've ever seen.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:20 PM   #1606
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I wish Space Ghost Coast to Coast would come back...

"Mite-Fall," the series finale of Brave and the Bold is hands down one of the best animated things I've ever seen.
I have only tracked down a few episodes of The Brave and the Bold that caught my attention enough to watch, but reading the description of Mitefall makes me want to watch that one as well.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:58 PM   #1607
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Brave and the Bold is only 65 episodes long, it's not hard to watch and marathon a short show like that in about 2 weeks times.

TMNT cartoons go on for over 100's of episodes, but most other superhero shows are short-lived. TMNT fans are used to long running series.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:17 PM   #1608
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^yes! this! and change their masks to rainbow!
Stop giving them ideas people. seriously, there is a person at nick reading this right now and thinking all these idea changes are brillaint.

Next Iteration, Mikey will be the mensa student, and don a meth head .
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Didn't the original toon already put them into rainbow bandannas?
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:20 PM   #1610
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Vegita-san is trolling like usual. It seems that's his only purpose in the Nick section.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:30 PM   #1611
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Batman Brave and the Bold is the perfect love-letter to the Silver Age of Comics, it's a great show. It doesn't shy from being absolutely silly and bonkers like comics where in the 50's and 60's and it doesn't shy away from being really emotional, serious and dark as well.

And The Birds of Prey got one of the best song numbers that almost passed the censors
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I actually enjoyed "The Batman" series
If you want to talk about a crappy Batman series just looked at the last one that got canned in the middle of the first season
Yeah, in talking with my brother today he had even said that how much he liked how Batman was portrayed in that one as opposed to some of the questionable design choices for the villains.

I COMPLETELY forgot about Beware the Batman.

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....Cartoon Network then declared the series a financial failure and decided to "write it off".
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:36 PM   #1613
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Batman has had constant reboots:

B:TAS (leading into Batman Beyond and Justice League)

The Batman

Brave and the Bold

Beware the Batman

Young Justice had a Batman

Justice League Action


And this is not even counting the DC animated movies on DVD with all different Batman's.
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And The Birds of Prey got one of the best song numbers that almost passed the censors
I have no idea who was responsible for that, but I do believe I owe them a drink.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:01 PM   #1615
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Which turtle fights off the entire Foot Clan making his way across the city until he's finally surrounded by all of them PLUS Shredder in the original comics?

Which turtle fights off dozens upon dozens of Foot ninjas until Shredder bests him and tosses him off a roof?

Leo is a bad ass in his own right and he's often overlooked at just how skilled he really is.

He's dedicated, disciplined, and supposed to be a tactician. As far as what a "ninja" is in pop culture, Leo is the one that most often offers that. The stealth entry, the sword fighting imagery. Yet he's also the antithesis of a ninja at the same time. He's honestly a samurai at heart more than the "anything goes" ninja. Honor, fealty and dedication to his family rather than a Shogun, there's the spirituality of the samurai in Leo. Just as a samurai lived their life ready to die for their master, Leo seems like he would be willing to sacrifice himself for his brothers without hesitation.

That dedication is what sets him apart. While Mikey often plays video games or watches TV, Raph would rather go and do his own thing, and Don is tinkering with machines, Leonardo dedicates himself to honing his skills to absolute perfection and nothing less will do. Because if they aren't honed to perfection, he will not be prepared to defend his family.

I'd actually like to see them expand on "samurai Leo" in having him practicing more of the traditions of samurai; learning archery, reading poetry, learning calligraphy. Things that seem unnecessary but the discipline itself is why they're necessary to him.

Hell, a samurai nature would be interesting to have him butt heads with Splinter, who is training them to be NINJA, who were masters of subterfuge, espionage, assassination, and any means necessary tactics. Having Leo struggle to reconcile the two would be an avenue to explore and offer more depth that most don't consider exploring.
This forum needs a "like" option! Maybe that 'love' one.

Would love to see all that too. Development in good ways for him would be awesome, esp when some versions don't really seem to know what to do with him other than the basics. (I mean look at PD 2014, he's mostly just present... Grateful 2016 tried harder for him.) I WANT more for him, he deserves more, but changing him as person just to get it as this show suggests... Trying to make him the rebellious one feels so counter to who he is, I have a hard time seeing how it (and the other details) won't very possibly have far reaching implications to it.





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People's fave Turtles (or other characters) are for a reason. If I was into rebellious bad boys or related to him in some way, I might have gone for Raph. But I'm not. I like my dignified, honorable, hard working, wise, self sacrificing big brother, heart of gold boy scout, spiritual, awesome baddass (and all the other many things he is) hero just the way he is. If some find that "boring," then he isn't for them, and if leaving him alone and keeping all that intact is "boring" then maybe TMNT isn't for them anymore. Including show creators...

How great that people who don't get him and aren't even into him and don't really care because they find him "boring" get to try to change him to suit themselves. My absolute favorite fictional character out of all things fiction... sorry, it does create a sore spot for sure. And a little insulting and sad that those who like and relate to Leo most are kind of sidelined if they indeed make him more Raph-like.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:34 PM   #1616
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Both 2k3 and Nick Leo were rather rebellious.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:39 PM   #1617
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And turtles by nature have nostrils.


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Old 11-03-2017, 03:42 PM   #1618
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I don't think we've ever had a Leo without a rebellious side to be honest. Every series has him going off on his own at some point.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:55 PM   #1619
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Acting independently isn't exactly the same as being rebellious though, esp as it has tended to have a greater purpose than just being a butthead.

As I have already said, probably pages ago now, having an occasional somewhat rebellious moment is one thing. Just as 2003 had that angry period. Or in various versions he loses confidence for a time and other things. I mean, periodic things is no biggie and it's part of a story and hopefully built up to.

2012 Leo as well, for example, when his brothers didn't know he was helping Karai and Shini. It's behavior that is a bit unlike him and surprising to his family and friends who were disappointed in it. That stuff is periodic. For what it is, its fine. Those moments don't really define who he is outside of it.

An actual character description as possibly intended for a duration of a series though? That's definitely different than just periodic stuff.


I can't say I've known too many rebellious type people who held much in the way of Leo-like qualities... They're more likely to think Raph is best.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:10 PM   #1620
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Batman Brave and the Bold is the perfect love-letter to the Silver Age of Comics, it's a great show. It doesn't shy from being absolutely silly and bonkers like comics where in the 50's and 60's and it doesn't shy away from being really emotional, serious and dark as well.

And The Birds of Prey got one of the best song numbers that almost passed the censors

Bingo. if we HAD to go 'more kid like' I'd LOVE a Brave and the Bold Option. they even took super silly ideas like rainbow batman and made it awesome.

I don't see that happening with nick based on what we've been shown so far.
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